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TOPIC: What Is The Message Of The Biblical Character Known Of As 'Jesus'?

What Is The Message Of The Biblical Character Known Of As 'Jesus'? 19 Jan 2017 17:05 #81

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The whole bible is full of contradictions - Jesus was not purely a love peddler as you have pointed out

Luke Chapter 12 verses 51-53

Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 52For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

The new jesus church was just a jewish sect inititially as i understand - so the people involved would be practising jews.

The new jesus church was a jewish sect until saul/paul saw the opportunity to entice goyim to join by watering down the judaic elements (ie not insisting physical circumcision is necessary).

I reckon that simply calls it how it was back in the day.
Some Jewish lass comes home from school and tells her Dad the rabbi..
" Dad I just joined the new Jesus church it is feckin' A."
Would her old Dad be pleased with her?
I doubt it.
:)


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What Is The Message Of The Biblical Character Known Of As 'Jesus'? 19 Jan 2017 17:09 #82

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i cant seem to post anything in the reply to GMP above so here is the reply

The new Jesus church was initially a jewish sect wherein followers remained practising jews. I suppose GMP has a point, but why would someone whose message was Love want to set up division within society.


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What Is The Message Of The Biblical Character Known Of As 'Jesus'? 19 Jan 2017 17:28 #83

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I've had that happen as well today Voltaire, maybe the forum has a glitch.
IMO and only an opinion Jesus was a radical rabbi.
Christianity is post-Jesus and I doubt the dude would recognise it as anything that he was into.
Never been a big issue though because I'm not, nor ever was a Christian.
Just seemd tomme that maybe the giy was just telling it as it was.
Not so much him being out to cause division but him outlining the consequences for those who did join up.
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What Is The Message Of The Biblical Character Known Of As 'Jesus'? 20 Jan 2017 02:38 #84

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What Is The Message Of The Biblical Character Known Of As 'Jesus'? 20 Jan 2017 02:47 #85

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What Is The Message Of The Biblical Character Known Of As 'Jesus'? 20 Jan 2017 04:05 #86

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Charles Giuliani, a host von Renegade Broadcasting, is a former believer and theology student who saw through the contradictions in the Bible (both old and new testaments). He has just finished the first draft on the subject - some 400 plus pages - but still has to edit it. He uses rather "colourful" language on his shows so if you are offended by the f word - avoid.

G'day Voltaire.

There is a link back some pages to the Debating Christianity & Religion forum where a few members are 'ex-clergy', having gone through seminary schooling, had their 'own congregation', etc. I used to post there regularly, though haven't done so for years. Some very interesting debates over there. :thumbup:

Dan Barker, From Preacher to Atheist (book, with excerpts of chapters online), is another well worth having a look at.

When I finish doing the back of the van up (I am converting a Mercedes Sprinter into a 'motorhome') and have some free moments I will check out Charles Giuliano. :thumbup:
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What Is The Message Of The Biblical Character Known Of As 'Jesus'? 20 Jan 2017 04:51 #87

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GMP wrote:
Voltaire wrote:
The whole bible is full of contradictions - Jesus was not purely a love peddler as you have pointed out

Luke Chapter 12 verses 51-53

Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 52For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

I reckon that simply calls it how it was back in the day.
Some Jewish lass comes home from school and tells her Dad the rabbi..
" Dad I just joined the new Jesus church it is feckin' A."
Would her old Dad be pleased with her?
I doubt it.
:)

G'day GMP.

The whole bible is an encoding of information. At a very basic representation ...

5 in numerology is the number representing LOVE.
2 = duality (not real, a delusion)
3 = triumvirate (mind, body, soul / thought, action, word / Father, Son, Holy Ghost / Number, Geometry, Music, etc, etc)

Problems arise when the mythological tales are taken at face value. Back in the day, prior to books, information was passed on in story form. The story wasn't important in any way, shape or form. It was the information that it conveyed that was important.

Let those who have ears hear and those who have eyes see.

There was no 'Jesus' (they didn't even have the letter 'J' in the alphabet back then), as there was no 'Hercules', 'Dionysus', etc. They are mythological tales encoded with information. That is why 'Hercules' had 12 tasks and 'Jesus' had 12 disciples. It is why 12 spheres surround a centre sphere with all 12 touching the centre sphere ('Jesus' surrounded by 12 disciples, etc).

Without knowing about true Numerology and Sacred Geometry, the information is not recognised and misconstrued. No ears to hear and no eyes to see.

In the quoted passage, it is a recognition of the 'fall' from Gnosis. Duality replacing the triumvirate nature of Life. Those that have a belief in duality are setting the mind against the body and the body against the mind, 'God' vs 'Satan', 'Good' vs 'Evil', etc. Those that recognise the triumvirate nature of Life will hear and see the information/message.

I and the Father are ONE.

Even as you have done to the least of these my brethren, so you have done unto me.

Another way of saying all of Life is ONE interconnected whole.

It is easy to control an individual that has a belief in duality. Simply present the 'opposite' and watch the reaction take place. :thumbup:
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What Is The Message Of The Biblical Character Known Of As 'Jesus'? 20 Jan 2017 05:02 #88

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i cant seem to post anything in the reply to GMP above so here is the reply

The new Jesus church was initially a jewish sect wherein followers remained practising jews. I suppose GMP has a point, but why would someone whose message was Love want to set up division within society.

G'day Voltaire.

Funnily enough, I have asked many a self proclaimed christian to point out the biblical passage where 'Jesus' states to set up a church in his name. Not one has ever been able to do so because there isn't such a statement. It is a Roman invention (Constantine and the Council of Nicea, 325AD). Hence why it is the Roman Catholic Church (Catholic definition is Universal, so Roman Universal Church).

Rome still rules via the Vatican (in Latin, Vatis and Can = place of divinely worshipped serpent, the RCC symbol is a winged serpent).
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What Is The Message Of The Biblical Character Known Of As 'Jesus'? 20 Jan 2017 15:22 #89

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I AM ALL I AM wrote:
GMP wrote:
Voltaire wrote:
The whole bible is full of contradictions - Jesus was not purely a love peddler as you have pointed out

Luke Chapter 12 verses 51-53

Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 52For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

I reckon that simply calls it how it was back in the day.
Some Jewish lass comes home from school and tells her Dad the rabbi..
" Dad I just joined the new Jesus church it is feckin' A."
Would her old Dad be pleased with her?
I doubt it.
:)

G'day GMP.

The whole bible is an encoding of information. At a very basic representation ...

5 in numerology is the number representing LOVE.
2 = duality (not real, a delusion)
3 = triumvirate (mind, body, soul / thought, action, word / Father, Son, Holy Ghost / Number, Geometry, Music, etc, etc)

Problems arise when the mythological tales are taken at face value. Back in the day, prior to books, information was passed on in story form. The story wasn't important in any way, shape or form. It was the information that it conveyed that was important.

Let those who have ears hear and those who have eyes see.

There was no 'Jesus' (they didn't even have the letter 'J' in the alphabet back then), as there was no 'Hercules', 'Dionysus', etc. They are mythological tales encoded with information. That is why 'Hercules' had 12 tasks and 'Jesus' had 12 disciples. It is why 12 spheres surround a centre sphere with all 12 touching the centre sphere ('Jesus' surrounded by 12 disciples, etc).

Without knowing about true Numerology and Sacred Geometry, the information is not recognised and misconstrued. No ears to hear and no eyes to see.

In the quoted passage, it is a recognition of the 'fall' from Gnosis. Duality replacing the triumvirate nature of Life. Those that have a belief in duality are setting the mind against the body and the body against the mind, 'God' vs 'Satan', 'Good' vs 'Evil', etc. Those that recognise the triumvirate nature of Life will hear and see the information/message.

I and the Father are ONE.

Even as you have done to the least of these my brethren, so you have done unto me.

Another way of saying all of Life is ONE interconnected whole.

It is easy to control an individual that has a belief in duality. Simply present the 'opposite' and watch the reaction take place. :thumbup:

All texts are interpreted by the reader thereof.
That KJV committee sought, via dogma; to ensure that (Anglican) believers read the KJV in the ways they intended it to be read.
Very few ordinary Anglican and even fewer Anglican Bishops or theologians these days subscribe to the biblical literalism of James 6th &1sts day.
The KJV compilation committee's efforts failed.
As evidenced by you choosing to interpret the KJV according to your own reading thereof.
Which is a perfectly acceptable thing to do.
To you, that's what the KJV means.
Others will have their own readings of the KJV.
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What Is The Message Of The Biblical Character Known Of As 'Jesus'? 20 Jan 2017 17:56 #90

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G'day GMP.

If "All texts are interpreted by the reader thereof", is your response simply your interpretation of the text I posted?

If so, it is interesting to note that I didn't mention a specific bible, let alone referred to the KJV. How is it that you interpreted the text to be specifically about the KJV?

Is there something specific within the text that I posted that lead to such an interpretation of it being specifically about the KJV?

If not, how did you come to such an interpretation of the text I posted as being specifically about the KJV?
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What Is The Message Of The Biblical Character Known Of As 'Jesus'? 22 Jan 2017 13:26 #91

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G'day GMP.

If "All texts are interpreted by the reader thereof", is your response simply your interpretation of the text I posted?

If so, it is interesting to note that I didn't mention a specific bible, let alone referred to the KJV. How is it that you interpreted the text to be specifically about the KJV?

Is there something specific within the text that I posted that lead to such an interpretation of it being specifically about the KJV?

If not, how did you come to such an interpretation of the text I posted as being specifically about the KJV?

Lost me there buddy.
We were chatting about the KJV weren't we?
As per Bacon, that KJV first edition artwork etc.
Apolologies if I got that wrong.
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What Is The Message Of The Biblical Character Known Of As 'Jesus'? 22 Jan 2017 15:56 #92

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G'day GMP.

If "All texts are interpreted by the reader thereof", is your response simply your interpretation of the text I posted?

If so, it is interesting to note that I didn't mention a specific bible, let alone referred to the KJV. How is it that you interpreted the text to be specifically about the KJV?

Is there something specific within the text that I posted that lead to such an interpretation of it being specifically about the KJV?

If not, how did you come to such an interpretation of the text I posted as being specifically about the KJV?

Lost me there buddy.
We were chatting about the KJV weren't we?
As per Bacon, that KJV first edition artwork etc.
Apolologies if I got that wrong.

G'day GMP.

That was another thread mate ... remember "Baconism". :D

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Nothing to apologise about. :thumbup: Such things can happen when you get older. ;). :D
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What Is The Message Of The Biblical Character Known Of As 'Jesus'? 25 Jan 2017 17:15 #93

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I AM ALL I AM wrote:
GMP wrote:
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G'day GMP.

If "All texts are interpreted by the reader thereof", is your response simply your interpretation of the text I posted?

If so, it is interesting to note that I didn't mention a specific bible, let alone referred to the KJV. How is it that you interpreted the text to be specifically about the KJV?

Is there something specific within the text that I posted that lead to such an interpretation of it being specifically about the KJV?

If not, how did you come to such an interpretation of the text I posted as being specifically about the KJV?

Lost me there buddy.
We were chatting about the KJV weren't we?
As per Bacon, that KJV first edition artwork etc.
Apolologies if I got that wrong.

G'day GMP.

That was another thread mate ... remember "Baconism". :D

truth-zone.net/forum/the-human-condition/68802-talmudic-jews-are-responsible-for-creating-national-socialism.html

Nothing to apologise about. :thumbup: Such things can happen when you get older. ;). :D

I had a 'senior moment' there. LOL
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What Is The Message Of The Biblical Character Known Of As 'Jesus'? 26 Jan 2017 13:59 #94

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GMP wrote:
I AM ALL I AM wrote:
GMP wrote:
I AM ALL I AM wrote:
G'day GMP.

If "All texts are interpreted by the reader thereof", is your response simply your interpretation of the text I posted?

If so, it is interesting to note that I didn't mention a specific bible, let alone referred to the KJV. How is it that you interpreted the text to be specifically about the KJV?

Is there something specific within the text that I posted that lead to such an interpretation of it being specifically about the KJV?

If not, how did you come to such an interpretation of the text I posted as being specifically about the KJV?

Lost me there buddy.
We were chatting about the KJV weren't we?
As per Bacon, that KJV first edition artwork etc.
Apolologies if I got that wrong.

G'day GMP.

That was another thread mate ... remember "Baconism". :D

truth-zone.net/forum/the-human-condition/68802-talmudic-jews-are-responsible-for-creating-national-socialism.html

Nothing to apologise about. :thumbup: Such things can happen when you get older. ;). :D

I had a 'senior moment' there. LOL
:)

Lol, I have had them all my life. Walk into a room and think, 'What the fuck did I walk in here for?'. :D

I used to walk back out to where I was beforehand to remember the reason why. :roflha:
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