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Pagan origins of Islam

''The Mysterious Black Stone of Kaaba - Worship of a Meteorite?''

''Hajj, the pilgrimage to Mecca, is one of the greatest religious observances in Islam.
People often associate Hajj with the familiar image of devout Muslims making the
journey to the Kabaa, and seven-times circling the ancient stone building towards
which they pray. The gathering in the plain of Arafat symbolises the climax of the hajj
pilgrimage, and in 2010 two million Muslims were at the site together on a single day.'

'What is less commonly known is the presence of a holy relic - literally a cornerstone -
that is part of the worship.
The origins of the dark stone remains a mystery to not only Muslims but geologists,
scientists and historians alike.

Does the black stone reveal pagan goddess-worshiping roots of Islam?

''The Black Stone is a Muslim relic, which according to Islamic tradition dates back to the
time of Adam and Eve. Historical research claims that the Black Stone marked the Kaaba
as a place of worship during pre-Islamic pagan times.
It is the eastern cornerstone of the Kaaba, the ancient stone building towards which Muslims
pray, in the center of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.
The Stone is a dark rock, polished smooth by the hands of millions of pilgrims, that has
been broken into a number of fragments cemented into a silver frame in the side of the Kaaba.
Although it has often been described as a meteorite, this hypothesis is still under consideration.
Muslim pilgrims circle the Kaaba as part of the Tawaf ritual of the Hajj.
Many of them try, if possible, to stop and kiss the Black Stone, emulating the kiss that Islamic
tradition records that it received from the Islamic Prophet Muhammad. If they cannot reach it,
they point to it on each of their seven circuits around the Kaaba.''

''The Black Stone of Kaaba or Mecca in Arabic, is called Al-hajar Al-aswad.
The word Kaaba - Ka’ba - Ka’bah - means Cube.''

"There are various opinions as to what the Black Stone actually is.
Muslims say that the Stone was found by Abraham (Ibrahim) and his son Ishmael (Ismail)
when they were searching for stones with which to build the Kaaba.
They recognized its worth and made it one of the building’s cornerstones.
Secular historians point to the history of stone worship, and especially meteorite worship,
in pre-Islamic Arabia, and say that it is likely that the Stone is a meteorite.
There is no way to test this hypothesis without removing and examining the Stone, which
would not be permitted by its guardians.
There is no indication as to where this stone originated, but since it pre-dates the revelation
of the Holy Qur’an and Muhammad’s prophethood, and even kissed, it must stem from the
time of Abraham since the Hajj traditions are traceable to the patriarch of monotheism."

Vulva of the Goddess?

''What is immediately apparent upon seeing the relic is the obvious likeness to the female aspect.
The stone and casing resembles nothing so much as a vagina or vulva. ''

''"This stone is set in large solid silver mountings. The whole resembles, quite deliberately, for
reasons which will emerge, ‘the vulva of the goddess’!
’A principal sacred object in Pagan Arabian religion was the stone...
Such stones were thought to be the residence of a god; hence the term applied to them by the
Byzantine Christian writers of the fifth and sixth centuries: ’baetyl’, from bet’el, ’the house of god’.’ [1]
Camphausen, in his article [3], reveals that the misogynic Muslim religion has its origins in the
worship of goddess. Allah is a revamped version of the ancient goddess Al’Lat, and it was
her shrine, which has since continued with little change, as the Kaaba.
The known history of Mohammed reveals that he was born around 570 CE into a tribe of the
Koreishe (Quraysh), who not only worshipped the goddess Q’re, but were the sworn guardians
of her shrine. By 622, Mohammed was preaching the ways of his god, Allah, and was driven
out by his own tribe as a result.''

''Researchers have noted that the Kaaba is accurately aligned on two heavenly phenomena:
the cycles of the moon and the rising of Canopus, the brightest star after Sirius. ''

Pre-Islamic Worship: The Triple Goddesses ;Goddess of the Black Stone

"It would take far too long to discuss to what extent the cult of the goddess’s Black Stone may have
been perpetrated as Solomon’s bride in the Song of Songs, who is ’black but beautiful’ or to
come to terms with the black images of Demeter, Artemis and Isis, who have their direct continuation
in the Black Virgins of Europe—patrons of the troubadours, the Gnostics and the alchemists, as well
as the present Pope. Those, who wish to follow such ideas, would do well to read ‘The myth of
the goddess’, which, in a sober but inspirational manner, reevaluates how the feminine deity has
remained with us throughout history."
While the stone and it’s ultimate origins and symbolism remain a mystery, speculation continues.
Perhaps researchers will be able to scratch the surface of this much-worshiped stone one day
and shed light on the more enigmatic aspects of Islam, and the ancient and inspirational religions
that came before.''
redicecreations.com/article.php?id=17158

Pagan practises of Islam

''The derision is rooted in Qur’anic verses condemning pagans to hellfire.
The pagan Arabs before Muhammad practiced astrological worship of the sun, moon, the
5 planets known at the time, and the stars behind them all.
Of course, the initiated understood that these celestial bodies were only emblems of divine forces.''

''The sun was a stand-in for the “son” of God – the masculine creative power of God represented
as the life-giving sun, dying after dusk, only to vanquish the darkness of evil and arise the next day,
resurrected. The moon & planets were assigned attributes of deities reflecting various natures
of the one God.
Islamic texts & scholars condemn astrology in spite of Islam’s own astrological roots.
Yet a vast majority of Islamic practices are directly borrowed from pagan astrology and it’s actually
pretty obvious if you care to look. Here are three examples:

''1. Astrology of the Kaaba. The Kaaba (Arabic for, “the Cube”) is a shrine built to the Harranian/Sabian
moon deity Sin or Hubaal.


Earliest historical references to the cubic temple in Mecca date it to no earlier than 60BCE while
Ptolemy refers to the temple in the 2nd century AD. While Muhammad’s claim that Abraham built the
Kaaba is historically false, the temple has possibly existed since before the Common Era.''

''To convert Jews & Christians to his cause, Muhammad claimed Abraham built the Kaaba with his
sons Isaac & Ishmael. When they weren’t impressed, he switched the direction of Islamic prayer
from Jerusalem (sacred to the Jews & Christians), to the Kaaba, sacred to the Meccan & Medinan
pagans he now desperately needed on his side. But when Muhammad returned to conquer Mecca
with an army, he still chose to ritually circle the Kaaba before he smashed the 360 idols inside.
Strange for a man who cursed idol-worshipping astrologers.''

''Like the Egyptian pyramids, the Kaaba has an astrological heritage due to its location.
And also like the pyramids, the Kaaba’s cubic structure echoes esoteric Pythagorean geometry.
Even the door is raised seven feet off the ground – one foot for each of God’s seven creative
deities (known to us now as the sun, moon, and the first five planets). Within the Kaaba, three
pillars represent the triune nature of God – and yet Islam regards the trinity as polytheist
Muhammad concocted Islamic stories about the Kaaba to unify Arabic tradition with Abrahamic
heritage. While these esoteric practices are preserved within Islam, their astrological significance
is commonly ignored.''

'2. The Black Stone of Hubaal.

On the eastern corner of the Cube, a black rock venerating Hubaal rests, fabled to have fallen
from the stars. Long before Muhammad, pilgrims were kissing this black stone idol to the moon god.
The stone, like the Kaaba itself, is alleged to have been placed there by Adam, but scientists &
historians dispute that claim.
Muslims also like to claim that the stone is a meteorite or perhaps even originally from the moon.
But modern science casts doubt on that assertion as well.
The truth is cubic stones were objects of veneration among pre-Islamic pagans because they
represented a physical manifestation of the spiritual spheres.
Since the Cube was astrologically considered to be an intersection between the physical and
spiritual planes, the black stone was set there symbolizing the connection between matter and spirit.
The stone was originally placed on the Cube’s eastern corner to greet the sunrise, representing
spiritual man’s journey through physical creation toward enlightenment.
But the astrological history of the black rock is obscured by Islam while the pagan tradition of kissing
it for good luck remains – replacing stories of philosophical enlightenment with mere superstition.''

3. Praying five times a day was borrowed from the pagans too.

I’ve already written about the Sabian/Harranian origins of Ramadan, Eid-al-Fitr, and,
“There is no god but God.” But praying five times a day was a Sabian practice too.
The pagan, astral-worshipping Sabians were somehow still considered People of the Book
by Muhammad. Likely because he needed them to join his movement.
So he adopted their practice of praying five times daily to honor the movements of the sun.''

''Fajr was prayed at sunrise – rejoicing the resurrection of the life-giving force of God. Zuhr was
prayed at noon, when the sun reached its peak. Asr was prayed in the late afternoon, Maghrib at
sunset and Aisha after dark.
The esoteric significance of 5 daily prayers is another reference for man’s five-fingered, five-limbed
body. These practices astrologically honored the sun’s effect on man’s daily life. Muhammad adopted
the five daily prayers but slightly adjusted their times to obscure their astrological roots.
He also changed the object of worship from the life-giving sun to the lunar Cube
(that other esoteric object of pagan veneration).''

''Ancient scientist-philosophers (they were the same back then) looked to the sun, moon, planets and
stars to understand the patterns of the tides, the rains, and the droughts so they could plan for civilization.
But Islam itself – and Muslims today – spew vitriol on these astrological philosophies that are an
inherent part of not only Islamic practice, but human history.''
nabeelafsar.com/2013/07/14/3-astrological-secrets-pagan-practices-of-islam/

Veneration of the Black-stone

''The pagan gods of pre-Islamic Arabia were worshiped in the form of rectangular stones or rocks.
For example, the pagan deity 'Al-Lat', mentioned in Qur'an 53:19, and believed by pre-Islamic pagans
to be one of the daughters of Allah, was once venerated as a cubic rock at Ta'if in Saudi Arabia.
An edifice was built over the rock to mark it apart as a house of worship.

''Al-lat stood in al-Ta'if, and was more recent than Manah.
She was a cubic rock beside which a certain Jew used to prepare his barley porridge (sawiq).
Her custody was in the hands of the banu-'Attab ibn-Malik of the Thayif, who had built an edifice
over her. [...]She is the idol which God mentioned when He said, "Have you seen Al-lat and al-'Uzza
(Surah 53:19)?[2]

Tawaf between Safa and Marwa

''Doing Tawaf between Safa and Marwa is an Islamic ritual associated with the pilgrimage to Mecca.
Safa and Marwa are two mounts, located at Mecca.
This ritual entails Muslims walking frantically between the two mounts, seven times.
This was originally a pagan pre-Islamic practice.
Muhammad retained it for Islam, sanctioning it with yet another Qur'anic revelation.[7]

Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (2.158)
Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710
Clearly, the Hadith testifies that Muhammad merely adopted this pagan ceremony from the pre-Islamic
"period of ignorance" and justified it with yet another convenient Qur'anic revelation''

Requirement of Ihram

''Ihram is a state a Muslim enters into for his pilgrimage to Mecca. It involves a series of procedures
like ritual washing, wearing 'Ihram garments', etc. Ihram was originally a pagan requirement for
worshipping idols during pre-Islamic times. Muhammad retained this practice for Islam.
Muslims assume Ihram to perform the Hajj or Umrah.'

Crescent Moon Symbol

''Hubal was the moon god worshiped at the Ka’aba. The crescent moon was Hubal’s symbol.
Muhammad's pagan grandfather Abd al-Muttalib almost slaughtered Muhammad's father Abdallah
at the Ka’aba, to Hubal. From Ibn Hisham:
An arrow showed that it was 'Abdullah to be sacrificed. 'Abdul-Muttalib then took the boy to Al-Ka'bah
with a razor to slaughter the boy. Quraish, his uncles from Makhzum tribe and his brother Abu Talib,
however, tried to dissuade him. They suggested that he summon a she-diviner.
She ordered that the divination arrows should be drawn with respect to 'Abdullah as well as ten
camels. … the number of the camels (finally) amounted to one hundred. … They were all slaughtered
to the satisfaction of Hubal.[8]''

''The Ka’aba, Islam's holiest shrine, has been a place where such pagan human sacrifices and
slaughters have taken place for Hubal. When Muhammad founded Islam, he discarded Hubal.
At the Battle of Badr, his enemy Abu Sufyan praised the high position of moon god Hubal, saying
"O Hubal, be high". Muhammad asked his followers to yell back, "Allah is higher".[9]
Is moon-god Hubal no longer "higher"? Is Islam completely free of the 'moon' influence?
Take a closer look at mosques all over the world, and you are likely to find Hubal’s symbol, the
crescent moon, positioned at a high point of the mosque. As with the Cross for Christianity and the Star
of David for Judaism, the Crescent moon is today a universal symbol for Islam.
It may not be a deliberate effort to worship Hubal. And yet, interestingly, through Islam, the pagan prayer
of Muhammad's enemy Abu Sufyan at Badr has been answered, "O Hubal be high".''
wikiislam.net/wiki/Pagan_Origins_of_Islam

The pagan Muslim

''Islam projects itself as monolithic and monotheistic religion, unalterable and perfect, with Muhammad
its chief and last prophet of God. The crescent moon and star fluttering atop mosques, betraying its
pagan roots, there for all to see''

''The word Allah is a derivation of the the moon god Al-ailah, also know as Sin, Hubul or Ilumquh.
He is the highest ranking god in the pre-islamic pantheon. Another prominent pre-Islamic monument,
the Kaaba housed 360 god, in fact the Kaaba was called the house of Al-ailah.

Al-ailah occupied a place of prominence among the Quraish, Muhammad’s tribe.
This chief god had three daughters, Al-Uzzah (Venus) to whom humans were sacrificed. Manah,
goddess of destiny and Al-Lat, goddess of vegetation, all three goddesses are mentioned in the Quran.''
vinchauhun.hubpages.com/hub/Islams-pagan-roots

Arabian Paganism and Islam’s Pagan Origins

''The name Allah is the personal name of the God of the moon.
He was married to the Goddess of the sun and had three children with her, the “daughters of Allah”.
His daughters’ names were AlLat (“The Goddess”), Goddess of harvest, fertility, and love.
Like her mother she was associated with the sun. She might be related to Greek Leto, mother
of the sun God Apollo.
AlUzza (“the Mighty One”) was the Goddess of honor, justice, war, and passion.
She was associated with the stars.
Manat was the Goddess of fate, death, and the afterlife. Like Allah she was associated with the moon.
Medina is named after her.
The Gods in this divine family were considered “high Gods”, meaning they were at the top of the
pantheon of Arabic deities.''

''Some view them as separate although connected deities, but most non-islamic scholars agree that
Allah and Hubal are one and the same God. One of Hubal’s names is also “Lord of the seven oracle arrows”,
the number seven representing the moon.
The “horns” of fertility of the moon deity Hubal towered atop the Kaaba as the most powerful deity of all.
The horns were made up of the crescent moon with its tips (horns) pointing upwards.
The same crescent moon that is now adorning so many flags of islamic countries and is essentially the
symbol for mohammedanism today. On the same Kaaba quadrat annually circled by Muslims instead
of Pagans now. The religion changed, the God they worship is still the same old lunar deity though.''
paganmeltingpot.wordpress.com/2014/09/07/arabian-paganism-and-islams-pagan-origins/

Muhammad and the Satanic Verses

Conclusions;
The evidence proves that Muhammad spoke the Satanic verses.
The four early biographers of Muhammad's life detail the story. Many traditions (Hadith) also establish it.
There are references to it in the Sahih Hadith. Finally, there is specific references to it in the Quran.
No one, with an open mind and honest heart, can doubt the event. It may make Muslims uncomfortable
that Satan used their prophet, but in the least they should be forthright and honest about it and admit it to
themselves. If they wish to follow a man who spoke Satan's words, that is their business.
Of course the ramifications are large. Muhammad had a strange relationship with Satan.
Was it really Gabriel choking Muhammad in the cave?''

How many other words were influenced by Satan?
Why would God make light of a prophet speaking Satan's words as God's?
Didn't God command in the Old Testament that false prophets should be put to death?
Didn't Jesus predict that false prophets would come and mislead many? (Ref. Matthew 24:11).

Muhammad had a deal with the devil.
Satan led, he followed. If Muhammad began to get off course,
Muhammad was corrected. Islam's denial of Christ's identity, is Satan's stronghold upon millions of
people. Muslims follow one of the false prophets Jesus foretold.

One Christian writer addressing this question asked:
"Muslims today who simply dismiss the account of these writers as fabricated and unhistorical must
at least answer the question why such reputable persons would fabricate it.
The question is not new. But, it seems, a serious Muslim response is hard to find."
www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/sverses.htmTo this date, a serious Muslim response is still hard to find.

For this is the command from Allah to all Muslims, as recorded in the Qur’an:

Al Tauba 9:29‘Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Daynor hold that forbidden
which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle [Muhammad] nor acknowledge the religion
of truth [ISLAM] (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Christians & Jews] until they pay the
Jizya [onerous Tax for not being a Muslim] with willing submission and feel themselves humiliated’

''Muhammad 47:4‘Therefore when ye meet the Unbelievers smite at their necks; at length when ye
have thoroughly subdued them bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either
generosity or ransom''

''Al Imran3:85‘ If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah) never will it be
accepted of him …''

''Al Tauba 9:33‘It is He (Allah) who hath sent His apostle (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion
of truth (Islam) to proclaim it over all other religions…''

''O ye who believe! ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble —
-Q 5:101''
''the command of Allah is a decree determined — Q 33:38''

‘Whoever changes his Islamic religion, then kill him.’ -Bukhari 9.84.57

‘When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostasizes from Islam, he deserves
to be killed.’ [Reliance of the Traveller, A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law (08.1)]''
midnightwatcher.wordpress.com/2013/03/22/former-muslim-islam-is-not-merely-a-religion-but-a-cult-belief-system-the-cult-of-muhammad/







The Moon Deity's crescent & star icon circa 2200 BCE


Crescent moon on a minaret


Freemason


Masonic Crescent Moon symbol


Crescent moon in the Vatican


Hindu deity Shiva with crescent moon


Artemis etc etc......
This kind of disgusting and disrespectful behaviour is condoned here

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Pagan origins of Islam 29 Oct 2014 09:54 #2

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All religions borrow customs and traditions from the previous dominant religion in any given area and incorporate them into the new religion, in order to make the new religion palatable to the natives. For example, Christianity was heavily Europeanised in order to get the Europeans to adopt it. The Semitic Old Testament would be unacceptable to Europeans without an addition ; the New Testament, which is a book written by people raised in the Hellenic traditions, not the Middle Eastern ones. Pagan traditions were amalgamated with the new religion, for example Father Christmas or Santa Claus is basically a rip-off of Odin. Some elements of Jesus Christ's story bear striking resemblances to those of Dionysus, the Greek god of wine, who was born to a human mother and a divine father, made miracles, and was even crucified on a tree, and I think Dionysus was even born on the 25th of December although I'm not completely sure of that.

None of this makes either Christianity or Islam a form of crypto-Paganism, as sensationalist authors like to claim, though.
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Pagan origins of Islam & the key code number of 72 sects of Islamia 30 Oct 2014 08:50 #4

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Introduction
After the Prophet of Allah, Isa ibn Maryam (Christ), there was a long period without a Prophet. Light and knowledge disappeared. Christianity fell into disrepute and became a matter of sport for the corrupt and the hypocrites. From the very beginning, Christianity had been subjected to alterations by extremists and to interpretations by the ignorant. The simple teaching of the Messiah(Christ) was buried beneath the transgressors' evil behavior.
The Jews had become a society obsessed with rites and rules lacking all life and spirit. Apart from that, Judaism a tribal religion, did not carry a message to the world nor a summons to other nations nor mercy to humanity at large.
The Magians were devoted to fire-worship. They built altars and shrines to fire. Outside the shrines they followed their own pursuits. Eventually, no difference whatever could be discerned between the Magians and those with no religion or morality.
Buddhism, a religion widespread in India and Central Asia, was transformed into outright paganism. Altars were built and images of the Buddha set up wherever it went.

Hinduism, the basic religion of India, is distinguished by its millions of idols and gods, and by the unjust separation that exists between its castes, discrimination between the castes being a harsh reality of daily life.
The Arabs also suffered from a paganism and idol-worship of the most abhorrent kind that had no parallel, even in pagan Hindu India. They were involved in shirk and adopted gods other than Allah. Every tribe, region or city had a particular idol. Indeed, every house had a private idol. Inside the Ka'bah, the house which Ibrahim (peace be upon him) had built for the worship of Allah alone, and in its courtyard, stood three hundred and sixty idols.

The morals of the Arabs were corrupted and they were obsessed with drinking and gambling. Their cruelty and so-called zeal reached the point where they buried baby girls alive. Raiding was widespread as well as highway robbery against trading caravans. The position of women in society was so low that they could be inherited like property or animals. Children were murdered because their parents feared the poverty that would come from raising them. The Arabs were fond of war and did not hesitate to shed blood. A minor incident could stir up a war lasting for many years in which thousands of people would lose their lives.

The Prophet is sent to the Arabian peninsula
Allah chose the Arabs to receive the call of Islam and to convey it to the furthest corners of the world. These people were simple-hearted with no complicated ideologies which would have been difficult to remove. While the Greeks, Persians and people of India were arrogant about their many sciences, their fine literature and their splendid civilisation, the Arabs followed only simple traditions related to their desert existence. It was not difficult to sweep these away and replace them with a fresh vision.
The Arabs were in a natural state. When it was difficult for them to grasp the truth, they fought it. However, when the covering was removed from their eyes, they welcomed the new beginning and, having embraced it, would risk their lives for it. They were honest and trustworthy, hardy, courageous and fine horsemen. They also possessed a will of iron.

In Makkah, a city in the Arabian peninsula, was the Ka'bah which had been built by Ibrahim and Isma'il (peace be upon them). In it, Allah alone was to be worshipped and it was to be a centre for calling people to tawhid for all time. Tawhid, meaning the Oneness of Allah, is in sharp contrast with the worship of idols.
The first house established for people was that at Makkah, a blessed place and a guidance for the worlds. (3:97)

Idol-worship in Makkah
The Quraysh continued to hold to the religion of Ibrahim and Isma'il, glorifying the creed of tawhid and the worship of Allah alone, until Amr ibn Luhayy became their chief. He was the first to deviate from the religion of Isma'il and to set up idols which he encouraged people to worship. Once he had travelled from Makkah to Syria on business where he saw people worshipping idols. He was so impressed that he brought some idols back to Makkah and set them up, commanding the people there to venerate them.
Traditionally some people would take a few stones from the Haram, the sanctuary, with them when they travelled from Makkah as a token of respect for the holy spot. This led to the day when they began to worship any stones they liked. Later generations lost track of the reasons why stones were originally venerated and the Quraysh were happy to worship stone idols just like the people were doing in surrounding countries.
http://metaexistence.org/muhammad/Introduction.htm 



Pagan Origins of Islam
Worship at the Ka’aba
According to the hadith, the Ka'aba in Mecca was a center of idol-worship, with the Ka'aba housing 360 idols:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Masud: The Prophet entered Mecca and (at that time) there were three hundred-and-sixty idols around the Ka’aba. He started stabbing the idols with a stick he had in his hand and reciting: "Truth (Islam) has come and Falsehood (disbelief) has vanished."
Sahih Bukhari 3:43:658
Prophet Muhammad discarded the 360 idols but retained for Islam, the Ka’aba with its Black Stone, justifying it with the claim that Abraham and Ishmael originally constructed it. However, there is no historical or archaeological evidence for the existence of the Ka’aba beyond a few hundred years before Muhammad's lifetime. In fact, Muhammad's own words disprove any connection he was attempting to make between Abraham, Ishmael and the Ka’aba.
The Qur'an says Abraham built it:
Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer). Qur'an 2:125
Muhammed says it was built 40 years prior to the Temple at Jerusalem:
Narrated Abu Dhaar: I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Which mosque was built first?" He replied, "Al-Masjid-ul-Haram." I asked, "Which (was built) next?" He replied, "Al-Masjid-ul-Aqs-a (i.e. Jerusalem)." I asked, "What was the period in between them? He replied, forty years.Sahih Bukhari 4:55:636
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Pagan_Origins_of_Islam 



But to me personally all organized Religions are the same thing in one or another way & all are like a idolizing cult.
Idols all over destruction, killing and rape.
>>> That's why I stay away from them all.

Not one of the major Religions is following any of the Ten Commandments which do make sense to me in human terms.
All organized Religions are sick & the prove is everywhere .............
not sure what type of so called god they all following but its a bad news one that's a given & gets worshiped through idols!


46 "This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Bring a mob against them and give them over to terror and plunder. 47 The mob will stone them and cut them down with their swords; they will kill their sons and daughters and burn down their houses

"Their children shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes! There houses spoiled, and their wives raped...Dash the young men to pieces...have no pity on the fruit of the womb, the children shall not be spared" -- Isa 13:16-18


Ezekiel 9:5-7 "Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. god's wrath on those who were to be punished

Hosea 13:16 (King James) Samaria will bear her guilt because she has rebelled against her God.
They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.




|||||||| Like it or not (because I'm neutral towards all religions) but as far I understand ||||||||||
the Jesus/image & Mohammad/image are the same image representation!
And are of the non physical image type!
Its people which are twisted in there minds & not the messengers or image!

Anyway in the end all will be sorted 72 will end up in the Fire only one reminds ..........
so take your pick & its coming from there own side knowing very clearly they having some bad boys & girls in there own town!!

73 Divisions in Islam and One True Jama'at

The Prophecy

Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) among many of his prophecies has mentioned, in one hadith, a prophecy which many of us have seen fulfilled in our life time. More than 1400 years ago, our beloved master, Muhammad (peace be upon him) made a prophecy in the following words [1] :

Abdullah bin Amar (RA) relates that the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) said "Surely things will happen to my people as happened earlier to Israelites, they will resemble each other like one shoe in a pair resembles the other to the extent that if anyone among the Israelites has openly committed adultery to his mother there will be some who will do this in my Ummah as well, verily the Israelites were divided into 72 sections
but my people will be divided into 73 sections, all of them will be in the fire except one." The companions asked, 'Who are they O Messenger of Allah,' Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) said,
"They are those who will be like me and my companions."


In this hadith there are quite a few things to be noted. Firstly, it mentions the resemblance of Muslim Ummah with the Israelites (i.e. Jews). In another hadith [2] this resemblance is mentioned in the words that as among the Jews a prophet was raised in every century among Muslims a reformer will be raised and as among the Jews at the end of the chain of prophets a Messiah was raised a Messiah will be raised among Muslims. Among Jews there were 12 tribes each divided into six sects making a total of 72 sects at the time when the Messiah (i.e. Jesus, AS) was sent to Israelites (A full list of the Jewish sects at the time of Jesus, peace be upon him, is included in Appendix I). After the appearance of the Messiah among Jewish people the list of sects increased considerably. So while talking about 73 divisions among Muslims and taking into account the resemblances of Muslim Ummah to the Jewish people mentioned in both of the above tradition, it appears that these two ahadith relate to the time of the Promised Messiah (AS).
http://www.real-islam.org/73_1.htm 



They must had interpreted there writing & number meanings in the wrong way >>> many other religions done the same thing!

Also the symbolic Spiritual key number code (72) has another meaning as far I understand; but Islam did not work this one out yet!

And the Fire mentioned IS NOT a physical Fire ; but from within the individuals.
Same with all other Religions which all having the same origin in the beginning anyhow!
And where does the Stone & the No. of 360 idols relationship fits into the game ..... look inside the Spoiler its all there>>>


In spoiler all about the Stone ...... "The Five Seals, The Five Pressures Stones, The Five Pearls," & the No. 72, 144, 360, 720

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Also I can explain the mystery how the Sun will start to rise from the West on the End of times in Spiritual understanding terms!
But again the Islamic side did not work this one out yet either!

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All religions borrow customs and traditions from the previous dominant religion in any given area and incorporate them into the new religion, in order to make the new religion palatable to the natives. For example, Christianity was heavily Europeanised in order to get the Europeans to adopt it. The Semitic Old Testament would be unacceptable to Europeans without an addition ; the New Testament, which is a book written by people raised in the Hellenic traditions, not the Middle Eastern ones. Pagan traditions were amalgamated with the new religion, for example Father Christmas or Santa Claus is basically a rip-off of Odin. Some elements of Jesus Christ's story bear striking resemblances to those of Dionysus, the Greek god of wine, who was born to a human mother and a divine father, made miracles, and was even crucified on a tree, and I think Dionysus was even born on the 25th of December although I'm not completely sure of that.

None of this makes either Christianity or Islam a form of crypto-Paganism, as sensationalist authors like to claim, though.

Just to add even more examples to this, the Central American forms of Christianity retain parts of the old Mayan, Aztec and other native pre-Christian religions. Mexicans celebrate the Day of the Dead (which is tomorrow, October 31st, funnily enough!) where they remember and pray for their dead ancestors. This is synthesised with Spanish customs, and the remnants of the pre-Columbian religion.

Closer to home, and also happening tomorrow, is Hallowe'en. This is the continuation and variant of an ancient Gaelic festival known as Samhain, but it also has Christian influences such as people were encouraged not to eat meat on All Hallows' Eve, and so ate things like toffee apples and now sweets.

Neither the Mexicans nor Irish are Pagans, nor are any of the other countless peoples who did similar things. They just kept pieces of their pre-Christian traditions, and why shouldn't they? These peoples have a history that goes back a lot further than Christianity. I know some fundamental evangelicals want to pretend that everything before Christ was evil, but it wasn't.

And also, let's stop using "Pagan" and "Satanist" as synonyms for each other, they aren't, they're two very different things.
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All religions borrow customs and traditions from the previous dominant religion in any given area and incorporate them into the new religion, in order to make the new religion palatable to the natives. For example, Christianity was heavily Europeanised in order to get the Europeans to adopt it. The Semitic Old Testament would be unacceptable to Europeans without an addition ; the New Testament, which is a book written by people raised in the Hellenic traditions, not the Middle Eastern ones. Pagan traditions were amalgamated with the new religion, for example Father Christmas or Santa Claus is basically a rip-off of Odin. Some elements of Jesus Christ's story bear striking resemblances to those of Dionysus, the Greek god of wine, who was born to a human mother and a divine father, made miracles, and was even crucified on a tree, and I think Dionysus was even born on the 25th of December although I'm not completely sure of that.

None of this makes either Christianity or Islam a form of crypto-Paganism, as sensationalist authors like to claim, though.

Just to add even more examples to this, the Central American forms of Christianity retain parts of the old Mayan, Aztec and other native pre-Christian religions. Mexicans celebrate the Day of the Dead (which is tomorrow, October 31st, funnily enough!) where they remember and pray for their dead ancestors. This is synthesised with Spanish customs, and the remnants of the pre-Columbian religion.

Closer to home, and also happening tomorrow, is Hallowe'en. This is the continuation and variant of an ancient Gaelic festival known as Samhain, but it also has Christian influences such as people were encouraged not to eat meat on All Hallows' Eve, and so ate things like toffee apples and now sweets.

Neither the Mexicans nor Irish are Pagans, nor are any of the other countless peoples who did similar things. They just kept pieces of their pre-Christian traditions, and why shouldn't they? These peoples have a history that goes back a lot further than Christianity. I know some fundamental evangelicals want to pretend that everything before Christ was evil, but it wasn't.

And also, let's stop using "Pagan" and "Satanist" as synonyms for each other, they aren't, they're two very different things.

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All religions borrow customs and traditions from the previous dominant religion in any given area and incorporate them into the new religion, in order to make the new religion palatable to the natives. For example, Christianity was heavily Europeanised in order to get the Europeans to adopt it. The Semitic Old Testament would be unacceptable to Europeans without an addition ; the New Testament, which is a book written by people raised in the Hellenic traditions, not the Middle Eastern ones. Pagan traditions were amalgamated with the new religion, for example Father Christmas or Santa Claus is basically a rip-off of Odin. Some elements of Jesus Christ's story bear striking resemblances to those of Dionysus, the Greek god of wine, who was born to a human mother and a divine father, made miracles, and was even crucified on a tree, and I think Dionysus was even born on the 25th of December although I'm not completely sure of that.

None of this makes either Christianity or Islam a form of crypto-Paganism, as sensationalist authors like to claim, though.

Just to add even more examples to this, the Central American forms of Christianity retain parts of the old Mayan, Aztec and other native pre-Christian religions. Mexicans celebrate the Day of the Dead (which is tomorrow, October 31st, funnily enough!) where they remember and pray for their dead ancestors. This is synthesised with Spanish customs, and the remnants of the pre-Columbian religion.

Closer to home, and also happening tomorrow, is Hallowe'en. This is the continuation and variant of an ancient Gaelic festival known as Samhain, but it also has Christian influences such as people were encouraged not to eat meat on All Hallows' Eve, and so ate things like toffee apples and now sweets.

Neither the Mexicans nor Irish are Pagans, nor are any of the other countless peoples who did similar things. They just kept pieces of their pre-Christian traditions, and why shouldn't they? These peoples have a history that goes back a lot further than Christianity. I know some fundamental evangelicals want to pretend that everything before Christ was evil, but it wasn't.

And also, let's stop using "Pagan" and "Satanist" as synonyms for each other, they aren't, they're two very different things.

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''And also, let's stop using "Pagan" and "Satanist" as synonyms for each other, they aren't, they're two very different things
' I know some fundamental evangelicals want to pretend that everything before Christ was evil, but it wasn't.'.''

Both have a demonic doctrine. therefore they are evil.
And catholics still pray to pagan deities disguised as so called saints.
Who do we serve ; Jesus Christ or the Pagan Pantheon or The Satanas.

''One could sum this up by saying that Pagan religions are modern Western religions which all involve,
in varying degrees, (1) honoring ancient pre-Christian deities and (2) reverence for the Earth and/or
for natural forces.

Some forms of Satanism do fit this definition, but many do not.

The "Pagan community"includes, among others:
Wiccans
Practitioners of other forms of Witchcraft similar to Wicca
Earth-worshippers (with a modern ecological perspective)
Pagan Reconstructionists (those who aim to revive an actual ancient European or
Middle-Eastern religion, based on actual ancient writings and archeological findings)
Practitioners of various eclectic combinations of the above


''However, Satanists are not Christian.
Calling Satanists "Christians" or "Christian heretics" is an insult to both Satanists and Christians.
Neither Satanists nor Christian theologians consider Satanism to be "Christian" or a "Christian heresy."
A Christian heretic is one who identifies as Christian and reveres the Christian God but holds
unorthodox theological beliefs. With only a few very rare exceptions, Satanists do not identify as
"Christian" or revere the Christian God.''
theisticsatanism.com/pagan/Is-Satanism-Pagan.html

''That Satan is alive and well is powerfully evidenced in these pagan practices.
This was not only clear in the times of the first-century church, but also in today’s postmodern world.
To the faithful believers who know the Lord, pagan worship is what it appears to be—the power and
deceit of the prince of this world, Satan (1 John 5:19), who “prowls around like a roaring lion looking
for someone to devour” (1 Peter 5:8). As such, paganism should be avoided.''
www.gotquestions.org/pagan-paganism.html

As for Neo Volkisch..... :wissl:

Neo-völkisch movements :
''cover a wide variety of mutually influencing groups of a radically ethnocentric character which have emerged,
especially in the English-speaking world, since World War II.
These loose networks revive or imitate the völkisch movement of 19th and early 20th century Germany in their
defensive affirmation of white identity against modernity, liberalism, immigration, multiracialism, and multiculturalism.[1]
Some identify as neo-fascist, neo-Nazi, or Third Positionist; others are politicised around some form of white ethnic nationalism or identity politics,[1] and may show right-wing anarchist tendencies.[2] Especially notable is the prevalence of devotional forms and esoteric themes, so that neo-völkisch currents often have the character of new religious movements.''

''Included under the neo-völkisch umbrella are movements ranging from conservative revolutionary schools of thought (Nouvelle Droite, European New Right, Evolian Traditionalism) to white supremacist and white separatist interpretations of Christianity and paganism (Christian Identity, Creativity Movement, Nordic racial paganism) to neo-Nazi subcultures (Esoteric Hitlerism, Nazi Satanism, National Socialist black metal).''
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-v%C3%B6lkisch_movements

''Relationship to neopaganism[edit]
Further information: Germanic mysticism (disambiguation) and Nordic racial paganism
Organisations such as the Armanen-Orden represent significant developments of neo-pagan esotericism and 'Ariosophy' after World War II, but they do not all constitute forms of Nazi esotericism. Some northern European neopagan groups, such as Theods, Ásatrúarfélagið and Viðartrúar, have explicitly stated that neo-Nazism is not common among their members. On the other hand, there are neopagan organisations with close ties to neo-Nazism, such as the Artgemeinschaft or the Heathen Front, and the attraction of many neo-Nazis to Germanic paganism remains an issue particularly in Germany (see Nornirs Ætt).
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All religions borrow customs and traditions from the previous dominant religion in any given area and incorporate them into the new religion, in order to make the new religion palatable to the natives. For example, Christianity was heavily Europeanised in order to get the Europeans to adopt it. The Semitic Old Testament would be unacceptable to Europeans without an addition ; the New Testament, which is a book written by people raised in the Hellenic traditions, not the Middle Eastern ones. Pagan traditions were amalgamated with the new religion, for example Father Christmas or Santa Claus is basically a rip-off of Odin. Some elements of Jesus Christ's story bear striking resemblances to those of Dionysus, the Greek god of wine, who was born to a human mother and a divine father, made miracles, and was even crucified on a tree, and I think Dionysus was even born on the 25th of December although I'm not completely sure of that.

None of this makes either Christianity or Islam a form of crypto-Paganism, as sensationalist authors like to claim, though.

Just to add even more examples to this, the Central American forms of Christianity retain parts of the old Mayan, Aztec and other native pre-Christian religions. Mexicans celebrate the Day of the Dead (which is tomorrow, October 31st, funnily enough!) where they remember and pray for their dead ancestors. This is synthesised with Spanish customs, and the remnants of the pre-Columbian religion.

Closer to home, and also happening tomorrow, is Hallowe'en. This is the continuation and variant of an ancient Gaelic festival known as Samhain, but it also has Christian influences such as people were encouraged not to eat meat on All Hallows' Eve, and so ate things like toffee apples and now sweets.

Neither the Mexicans nor Irish are Pagans, nor are any of the other countless peoples who did similar things. They just kept pieces of their pre-Christian traditions, and why shouldn't they? These peoples have a history that goes back a lot further than Christianity. I know some fundamental evangelicals want to pretend that everything before Christ was evil, but it wasn't.

And also, let's stop using "Pagan" and "Satanist" as synonyms for each other, they aren't, they're two very different things.

Neo-völkisch ?

Why are you trolling your own thread? :chuckle:

It is you who brought up paganism...
I am responding to what you are saying abour Pagans.... Neo volkisch is Pagan :wissl: :chuckle:
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Well .... she brought up Satanism. May as well raise the Synagogue of Satan who keep flicking shekels her way for the crap she posts on here.
"I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the Synagogue of Satan.

0ne group and one group alone is responsible for virtually all wars and bloodshed on the face of this planet. This evil cabal is few in numbers but, like a deadly octopus, its tentacles reach out to grip and strangle untold multitudes of innocent victims. The initiates of every secret society and internationalist organization, from the Council on Foreign Relations and the Jesuits to the Bilderbergers and the Order of Skull & Bones, obey the dictates of this sinister group and tremble when standing before its leaders.

The cabalist group I refer to is the Synagogue of Satan, an ancient, yet modern, elite so politically powerful and so fabulously wealthy that even past history has been twisted, reshaped, and revised to meet its preferred version of humanity's gloomy, totalitarian future.

Religious in nature, the Synagogue of Satan is, at its essence, a grotesque, satanic cult. It's high council is composed of High Priests of Lucifer; these are men who literally worship death while practicing sexual magick and occult rituals of the blackest nature.

Fanatical Support By Zionists

Regrettably, this Luciferian cabal of high priests is supported by the vast majority of over eighteen million people around the globe who call themselves "Jews." Some of these people, a great many, are fanatical in their support of the Synagogue of Satan. They go by the name, "Zionists." Other Jews provide the Cabal with only token, often nominal, support.

The millions of Zionist Jews are joined in their zealous embrace by a great number of Gentiles who are also boastful of being Zionists. While these Gentile supporters are, on the whole, woefully ignorant of the horrific, ultimate goal of the Synagogue of Satan, their support and service to the cause of Lucifer helps drive the global Synagogue of Satan's never-ending successful campaigns of revolution, war, famine, financial calamity, and bloodshed.

Thankfully, there are a few Jews—but only a few—who have been able to escape the almost irresistible spiritual impulse to ally themselves with the Synagogue of Satan. Their escape has been made possible due to their faith in the only One who has the power to resist the Evil One's grip. I refer, of course, to Jesus Christ our Lord, Deliverer of Israel. But, watch out! I have discovered that many Jews who claim to be "Christians" are actually Zionist deceivers. Masquerading as "Messianic Jews," in fact they are covert propagandists for the Synagogue of Satan. "By their fruits ye shall know them."

Courage Required to Expose this Group

Given the proven fact that the elitist High Priests of Lucifer who comprise the Synagogue of Satan and their servants control Big Brother's police and spy organs and possess ownership of every major book publishing firm in the world, rarely is a book or volume ever printed that has the courage and audacity requisite to expose the ongoing conspiracy of this monstrous group.

I am, therefore, extremely pleased to recommend to thinking men and women an excellent, new volume, The Synagogue of Satan, by Britain's Andrew Hitchcock. You will find it to be a useful, revealing, and accurate historical guide to the sinister crimes and dark events that have propelled the Synagogue of Satan to the precipice of world power. So impressed was I with Mr. Hitchcock's new book that I volunteered to write the introduction for an American edition, which Power of Prophecy, is pleased to publish and distribute under our RiverCrest Publishing imprint.

The term Synagogue of Satan is biblical in origin. As Mr. Hitchcock notes, the book of Revelation in the Holy Bible minces no words. God warns us of the horrendous and diabolical power to be wielded in the last days by the entity identified as the "Synagogue of Satan."
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Well .... she brought up Satanism. May as well raise the Synagogue of Satan who keep flicking shekels her way for the crap she posts on here.
"I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the Synagogue of Satan.

0ne group and one group alone is responsible for virtually all wars and bloodshed on the face of this planet. This evil cabal is few in numbers but, like a deadly octopus, its tentacles reach out to grip and strangle untold multitudes of innocent victims. The initiates of every secret society and internationalist organization, from the Council on Foreign Relations and the Jesuits to the Bilderbergers and the Order of Skull & Bones, obey the dictates of this sinister group and tremble when standing before its leaders.

The cabalist group I refer to is the Synagogue of Satan, an ancient, yet modern, elite so politically powerful and so fabulously wealthy that even past history has been twisted, reshaped, and revised to meet its preferred version of humanity's gloomy, totalitarian future.

Religious in nature, the Synagogue of Satan is, at its essence, a grotesque, satanic cult. It's high council is composed of High Priests of Lucifer; these are men who literally worship death while practicing sexual magick and occult rituals of the blackest nature.

Fanatical Support By Zionists

Regrettably, this Luciferian cabal of high priests is supported by the vast majority of over eighteen million people around the globe who call themselves "Jews." Some of these people, a great many, are fanatical in their support of the Synagogue of Satan. They go by the name, "Zionists." Other Jews provide the Cabal with only token, often nominal, support.

The millions of Zionist Jews are joined in their zealous embrace by a great number of Gentiles who are also boastful of being Zionists. While these Gentile supporters are, on the whole, woefully ignorant of the horrific, ultimate goal of the Synagogue of Satan, their support and service to the cause of Lucifer helps drive the global Synagogue of Satan's never-ending successful campaigns of revolution, war, famine, financial calamity, and bloodshed.

Thankfully, there are a few Jews—but only a few—who have been able to escape the almost irresistible spiritual impulse to ally themselves with the Synagogue of Satan. Their escape has been made possible due to their faith in the only One who has the power to resist the Evil One's grip. I refer, of course, to Jesus Christ our Lord, Deliverer of Israel. But, watch out! I have discovered that many Jews who claim to be "Christians" are actually Zionist deceivers. Masquerading as "Messianic Jews," in fact they are covert propagandists for the Synagogue of Satan. "By their fruits ye shall know them."

Courage Required to Expose this Group

Given the proven fact that the elitist High Priests of Lucifer who comprise the Synagogue of Satan and their servants control Big Brother's police and spy organs and possess ownership of every major book publishing firm in the world, rarely is a book or volume ever printed that has the courage and audacity requisite to expose the ongoing conspiracy of this monstrous group.

I am, therefore, extremely pleased to recommend to thinking men and women an excellent, new volume, The Synagogue of Satan, by Britain's Andrew Hitchcock. You will find it to be a useful, revealing, and accurate historical guide to the sinister crimes and dark events that have propelled the Synagogue of Satan to the precipice of world power. So impressed was I with Mr. Hitchcock's new book that I volunteered to write the introduction for an American edition, which Power of Prophecy, is pleased to publish and distribute under our RiverCrest Publishing imprint.

The term Synagogue of Satan is biblical in origin. As Mr. Hitchcock notes, the book of Revelation in the Holy Bible minces no words. God warns us of the horrendous and diabolical power to be wielded in the last days by the entity identified as the "Synagogue of Satan."
www.texemarrs.com/032007/synagogue_of_satan_article.htm

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' I know some fundamental evangelicals want to pretend that everything before Christ was evil, but it wasn't.'.''

Both have a demonic doctrine. therefore they are evil.
And catholics still pray to pagan deities disguised as so called saints.
Who do we serve ; Jesus Christ or the Pagan Pantheon or The Satanas.

If you think I or any other right-thinking European is going to abandon over 10,000 years of pre-Christian history, to fit the demands of North American Protestant zealots, then you can think again.
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''And also, let's stop using "Pagan" and "Satanist" as synonyms for each other, they aren't, they're two very different things
' I know some fundamental evangelicals want to pretend that everything before Christ was evil, but it wasn't.'.''

Both have a demonic doctrine. therefore they are evil.
And catholics still pray to pagan deities disguised as so called saints.
Who do we serve ; Jesus Christ or the Pagan Pantheon or The Satanas.

If you think I or any other right-thinking European is going to abandon over 10,000 years of pre-Christian history, to fit the demands of North American Protestant zealots, then you can think again.



Satan is the God of this this Age;the Father of all Lies,
The Lawless On.
He has influenced 10.000 years of pre-christian history,and is still
doing his evil work on this earth.

You are free and can belief what you want Seaic.

I do not have to think again because ;
my demands are fitted by my personal belief in
our Saviour Jesus Christ.
Amen.
Our choices seal our fate.




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''And also, let's stop using "Pagan" and "Satanist" as synonyms for each other, they aren't, they're two very different things
' I know some fundamental evangelicals want to pretend that everything before Christ was evil, but it wasn't.'.''

Both have a demonic doctrine. therefore they are evil.
And catholics still pray to pagan deities disguised as so called saints.
Who do we serve ; Jesus Christ or the Pagan Pantheon or The Satanas.

If you think I or any other right-thinking European is going to abandon over 10,000 years of pre-Christian history, to fit the demands of North American Protestant zealots, then you can think again.



Satan is the God of this this Age;the Father of all Lies,
The Lawless On.
He has influenced 10.000 years of pre-christian history,and is still
doing his evil work on this earth.

You are free and can belief what you want Seaic.

I do not have to think again because ;
my demands are fitted by my personal belief in
our Saviour Jesus Christ.
Amen.
Our choices seal our fate.

I believe in Jesus Christ too. I just refuse to believe that everyone born before him was evil and are burning in Hell for not being Christians. It's sad that you are ashamed of the vast majority of the history of your country. It's extremely sad that you have such dislike of your own Germanic Pagan ancestors. They were human beings with hopes, feelings, dreams, aspirations. It's sad that you disregard them and their legacy, just because they were a different religion to you.
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Seaic wrote:
Cinta wrote:
Seaic wrote:
Cinta wrote:
Seaic wrote:
''And also, let's stop using "Pagan" and "Satanist" as synonyms for each other, they aren't, they're two very different things
' I know some fundamental evangelicals want to pretend that everything before Christ was evil, but it wasn't.'.''

Both have a demonic doctrine. therefore they are evil.
And catholics still pray to pagan deities disguised as so called saints.
Who do we serve ; Jesus Christ or the Pagan Pantheon or The Satanas.

If you think I or any other right-thinking European is going to abandon over 10,000 years of pre-Christian history, to fit the demands of North American Protestant zealots, then you can think again.



Satan is the God of this this Age;the Father of all Lies,
The Lawless On.
He has influenced 10.000 years of pre-christian history,and is still
doing his evil work on this earth.

You are free and can belief what you want Seaic.

I do not have to think again because ;
my demands are fitted by my personal belief in
our Saviour Jesus Christ.
Amen.
Our choices seal our fate.

I believe in Jesus Christ too. I just refuse to believe that everyone born before him was evil and are burning in Hell for not being Christians. It's sad that you are ashamed of the vast majority of the history of your country. It's extremely sad that you have such dislike of your own Germanic Pagan ancestors. They were human beings with hopes, feelings, dreams, aspirations. It's sad that you disregard them and their legacy, just because they were a different religion to you.

I am not sure why you think I am ashamed or that I dislike my Germanic ancestry.
On the contrary I am proud of my ancestors.
My familiy genealogy actually goes from The Netherlands into Germany itself.
But being Germanic doesn't make me any better than others.

I never said that everyone born before him was evil and are burning
in Hell for not being Christians.
Those who lived in pre christian times awaite another judgement then
we as believers.
They are judged by their good or their bad work.
Those who have been preached the Gospel and have accepted
Jesus Christ in their hearts are safed by the Grace of God.
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''Cinta is a whore.
I don't change one word I've said.''

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It is pagan. It is a contrived religious con game much like the catholic. Used for dividing/diverting the peoples from real truth.
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More verbal diarrhea from the fundie protestant pastor .... with the thinking ... ironically ... spawning from the (Jewish) Reformation designed to divide and conquer (read destroy) Christianity.

Pity the American Fundie Protestants are too stupid to appreciate how they've been played and the role that they play.
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Orangeaid wrote:
More verbal diarrhea from the fundie protestant pastor .... with the thinking ... ironically ... spawning from the (Jewish) Reformation designed to divide and conquer (read destroy) Christianity.

Pity the American Fundie Protestants are too stupid to appreciate how they've been played and the role that they play.
How much more can you be incorrect alter boy? The pagan catholic (see pope head wear) is another destroyer of truth. The fudi N. Americans are schleppers for the TRIBE. Your a catholic that refuses to acknowledge Jesus Christ as savior.
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How much more can you be incorrect alter boy? The pagan catholic (see pope head wear) is another destroyer of truth. The fudi N. Americans are schleppers for the TRIBE. Your a catholic that refuses to acknowledge Jesus Christ as savior.


www.dict.cc/?s=schlepper


Your Yiddish is always coming through, increasingly so lately.

And btw, what does your signature mean exactly?


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