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The American Indian thread 17 Jul 2016 16:00 #101

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Unseen Tears: The Native American Boarding School Experience

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The American Indian thread 17 Jul 2016 16:05 #102

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If the weeping went 'unseen' then how TF did they know who was crying and why?
Via that film-script do you think?
Presumably it was made for a purpose.
Most films are.
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The American Indian thread 17 Sep 2016 19:25 #103

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Hundreds of people from indigenous tribes from across the U.S. and Canada have gathered at the
Sacred Stone Camp in North Dakota to stand in solidarity with the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe
against the Dakota Access pipeline.
Construction of the pipeline was approved by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers,resulting in buldozing
sacred indigenous burial and cultural sites.
Construction of the pipeline has a potential effect of endangering and contaminating the drinking water supply
of millions of people.

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The American Indian thread 27 Sep 2016 21:34 #104

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Learning from ‘tribal ancestors:’ how the Nazis used Indian imagery to promote a “holistic” understanding of nature among Germans
Franck Usbeck
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In his contribution, Frank Usbeck analyzes the interrelations between German nationalism, new spiritualism, and the
German euphoria for Native Americans, in the context of the eventual appropriation of this euphoria for Nazi propaganda.
Focusing on these interrelations, he argues that the Nazis pragmatically utilized popular tropes of Indian imagery to portray
Germans as the Indians of Europe and to present National Socialism as the political and spiritual manifestation of natural law.

Around 1900, nationalist constructions of an idealized Germanic tribal past informed concepts of social reform groups which
tackled the negative effects of secularization, urbanization, and industrialization. Mystifying nature, and (re-)discovering a
holistic worldview, these reformers borrowed heavily from popular German Indian imagery. The Nazis eventually portrayed
both Germans and Indians as indigenous peoples who protected both their cultural integrity and their natural environment
against the onrush of Western ideas and the destruction of their homelands by international capitalist greed.

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''The German fascination with Native Americans has been a tradition of several centuries, beginning with the first reports about
the New World and its peoples. The main features of German Indian imagery have evolved in tandem with Romanticism during
the early nineteenth century and have evoked the phenomenon of mass euphoria for Indians in the late 1800s, a euphoria which
has lasted for more than a hundred years now. The appearance of the Anishinaabe George Copway before the third World Peace
Conference in Frankfurt in 1850 already resulted in a media frenzy (Peyer 141–66). Similarly, when chief Edward Two-Two and
his troupe of 20 Lakota-Sioux arrived at the Dresden train station in 1913 to work for the local circus Sarrasani, factories and
schools closed for the day, and over one hundred thousand people gathered only to watch the unloading of the baggage and
procession to the hotel. Two-Two, who died soon thereafter, asked to be buried in Dresden where his tomb is a special attraction
of the local Catholic cemetery until this day (Conrad 466). During World War II, Adolf Hitler publicly praised Karl May’s Indian character Winnetou as the ideal company commander and military leader (Speer 523). Even today, references to Indians abound in everyday life.
One out of many such items is a TV-commercial in which an old Inuit teaches his grandson how to differentiate the tracks of wolf and
bear from those of an Audi Quattro in the snow (“Audi Eskimo”). In spring 2009, Secretary of the Treasury Peer Steinbrück (SPD)
labeled the Swiss people as “rogue Indians” and called for a punitive raid by what he termed the “international financial cavalry” to
help curb German tax evasion into the Swiss “tax reservation” (Zitzelsberger). All these examples reveal the persistence of Indian
imagery in Germany, be it in pop culture or politics. They also indicate many of the imagined character traits and the clichés related
to Native Americans in Germany.''
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The American Indian thread 23 Oct 2016 21:01 #106

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Why Several Native Americans Are Suing the Mormon Church
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Native Americans who were part of a little-known Mormon program from 1947 to the mid-1990s share much of the same story.
Year after year, missionaries or other members of the Church of Jesus-Christ of Latter-day Saints approached these families
and invited their children into Mormon foster homes. As part of the Mormon Indian Student Placement Program,

Native American children would live with Mormon families during the school year, an experience designed to “provide educational,
spiritual, social, and cultural opportunities in non-Indian community life,” according to the Church.
Typically, the Mormon foster families were white and financially stable. Native American children who weren’t already Mormon
were baptized. And some of them now claim they were sexually abused.

“They knew there were things going on. They just turned around and closed their eyes to it,” said BN, a former participant of
the program who has filed a sexual-abuse lawsuit against the LDS Church, and who remains anonymous in court documents,
in an interview. So far, three sexual-abuse lawsuits involving four past participants have been filed in Navajo Nation District Court.
No criminal charges have been brought against the defendants, who are also anonymous in all pleadings.
The alleged victims include a brother and sister who were both in the program. The brother, referred to in court documents as RJ,
claims in the lawsuit that he was not only sexually abused, but physically and emotionally abused, and forcibly had “his mouth washed
out with soap whenever he spoke Navajo to the other placement children in the home,” according to court documents.
A fourth lawsuit is pending, according to their lawyer, Craig Vernon.

The LDS Church maintains that the “plaintiffs’ allegations are just that—allegations,” according to David Jordan, its lawyer.
While many of the perpetrators named in the suits are dead, “I can tell you that the surviving family members of the alleged
abusers with whom we have been able to speak do not believe the allegations,” Jordan claimed. “I also want to emphasize
that the Church would have had absolutely no motive to send a child back into an abusive environment if a report of improper
conduct had been made by any of the plaintiffs.” The Church has not answered the allegations other than to challenge the
jurisdiction of Navajo court, and has asked a federal judge to prevent the cases from going forward in tribal court.

The LDS Church teaches that Native Americans are descendants of the Lamanites, a group of people who, according to the
Book of Mormon, left Israel in 600 B.C. and settled in the Americas.
In the Book of Mormon, the Lamanites are predominately a wicked people, cursed by God with a “skin of blackness” as
punishment for turning against him.

Although the Lamanites briefly “walk in truth and uprightness,” they destroyed their generally more righteous rivals, known
as the Nephites, after Jesus Christ visited the Americas.
The rehabilitation of the Lamanites is a sign of the second coming of Christ.


The LDS Church believed it was responsible for guiding Native Americans toward a more righteous path, which meant there
were stiff requirements to participate in the program. Rather than focus on improving conditions on the reservation, the
LDS Church asked that Native American children abandon their surroundings and assimilate to the way its white members lived.
Some Church leaders interpreted the Book of Mormon literally and expected that Native American children’s skin would turn
lighter as they grew closer to God. Although the program was started with good intentions, its heavy demands and allegedly
lax oversight may have left some of the participants vulnerable—including, plaintiffs say, to sexual abuse.

These lawsuits fit into a larger pattern of sexual-abuse allegations against religious institutions. Like the victims of abuse in
the Roman Catholic Church, for example—whose perpetrators were largely Church officials and clergy who claimed
sexual-abuse victims all over the world—Native American victims claim Mormon leaders can and should have done more
to prevent the abuse. Roughly 50,000 children participated in the Mormon Indian Student Placement Program, according
to Matthew Garrett, a professor at Bakersfield College.

Beyond damages, the alleged Native American victims are seeking a written apology, help for other participants of the program
who were abused, and changes to the LDS Church’s sex-abuse policy. The alleged victims claim the Church still does more to
protect its leaders than its children: The Church instructs those who learn about sexual abuse to call a Mormon help line instead
of immediately alerting the police or other outside authorities. Eric Hawkins, a Church spokesperson, said the help line exists
because “reporting requirements vary from state to state, and the purpose of the conversation is to help ensure that it does
occur in the right way—the way that cares for the victim and stops the abuse.” For example, in some cases “there may be
questions about providing a safe place for the victim to live following reporting,” Hawkins said.
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The American Indian thread 23 Oct 2016 21:14 #107

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^^^^^ many "christian" churches were guilty of heinous crimes.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
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The American Indian thread 27 Oct 2016 13:18 #108

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Cinta wrote:
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I am not a Jew,and not under the Mosaic Law..
This law has ended in the OT with the death and ressurrection of Jesus Christ:
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“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19)

“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)

“…the scripture cannot be broken.” –Jesus Christ, (John 10:35)
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The American Indian thread 28 Oct 2016 21:36 #109

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I AM ALL I AM wrote:
Cinta wrote:
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I am not a Jew,and not under the Mosaic Law..
This law has ended in the OT with the death and ressurrection of Jesus Christ:
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“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19)

“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)

“…the scripture cannot be broken.” –Jesus Christ, (John 10:35)

If you wish to troll my thread @i am all i am,go ahead.

Like I have mentioned before all will be revealed when you are dead,but then it's too late for you to get salvation.

The gift of Grace is free ; take it or leave it.

Our choices seal our fate
Matthew 7:6

''Do not give dogs what is holy;

do not throw your pearls before swine.

If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces. ''

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Matthew 7:1-3
Judge not, that ye be not judged.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
You cannot reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into.

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What TF does christian scripture have to do with "American indians?"
Looks to me that Cinta is trolling her own thread.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
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Tatanka Oyate , the Buffalo Nation appearing near the Standing Rock protest camp amidst arrests,mace attacks and baton beatings.

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What TF does christian scripture have to do with "American indians?"
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G'day bd.

Well, "christian scripture" is what they attempted to indoctrinate 'American Indians' with of course. When it didn't work they decided to kill them with whatever means possible, after all, it says to kill all 'unbelievers' in their 'scripture'.

"Truth has advocates who seek understanding," Richard said. "Corrupt ideas have miserable little fanatics who attempt to enforce their beliefs through intimidation and brutality . . . through faith. Savage force is faith's obedient servant. Violence on an apocalyptic scale can only be born of faith because reason, by its very nature, disarms senseless cruelty. Only faith thinks to justify it."

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Dakota Pipeline: What's behind the stand-off?

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