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TOPIC: Once a National Socialist, Always a National Socialist

Once a National Socialist, Always a National Socialist 21 Dec 2016 17:53 #1

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Herbert Von Karajan: Unrepentant National Socialist

November 1, 2015 Mike Walsh


Herbert von Karajan (1908 ~ 1989) is regarded as the greatest orchestral conductor ever to mount the podium. Yet, he was also a mountain climber, drove Formula One supercars, and enjoyed fast motorcycling. On water he had few equals: a gifted water skier, he sailed super yachts and was a scuba diving virtuoso. At the age of 54 he descended Mont Blanc on skis. The multi-lingual Austrian-German piloted his own aircraft, fixed wing and helicopter. The maestro earned the respect of iconic sportsmen.

Herbert von Karajan joined the National Socialist Deutsche Arbeit Partei (NSDAP) within weeks of Hitler’s election. His membership card carries the number #1 607 525. He had the distinction of being a member twice over. He carried a German issue NSDAP card (#3 430 914) despite it being illegal for an Austrian to be a member.

The conductor’s esteem for Hitler endured and not once did he deny his membership. Roger Vaughan, the conductor’s biographer, tells of the time they drove through Berchtesgaden and up winding forested roads to Adolf Hitler’s mountain home. As they neared the ruins, bombed by the USAF then looted, von Karajan expressed deep sadness, “there is no monument to him.”

His was a period dominated by the celebrated Furtwangler and Toscanini. No one can read of Karajan’s struggle for fame without admiration for his tenacity. His was a life of grueling hard work, ingenuity, and God-given talent. Herbert von Karajan represented the culture of the Third Reich. Upon Germany’s defeat, the conductor was persecuted by the forces of occupation. Like millions of others he was denied the means to support himself or his family.

Until December 1948, when he was finally cleared by the allies, he lived in St. Anton and remote wooded areas north of Milan. Partisans would have murdered him had they known of his existence.

Karajan’s association with National Socialism never troubled him. He wouldn’t discuss the matter other than declaring, “I would not change anything I have done.”

Even those not given to respect National Socialist ideology noted that no matter what inducements or threats, Karajan never renounced his beliefs. Karajan’s biographer, Roger Vaughan, writes:
"Throughout the long drawn-out denazification process there is not the slightest sign of contriteness from Karajan. One may question his ethics, but not his toughness, his strength of purpose, his self-assured single-mindedness. He told the authorities what he had done and he told them with his head held high and his voice in full timbre. He voiced no apologies, no regrets. Here is the story: so be it. And when he was challenged he didn’t defend himself, he attacked."

The last musical work performed on Berlin Radio before it went off the air in May 1945 was Anton Bruckner’s 7th Symphony in E-Major. In 1989, on a date many might regard as a tribute to the Führer’s 100th birth anniversary, Herbert von Karajan led the Vienna Philharmonic in his final performance with this same monumental work.

Occasionally, one will note that Karajan closes an orchestral performance by clasping his arms across his chest. One of the Fuhrer’s idiosyncrasies was to close a speech with clasped hands across his chest. It may well be a signal that will be understood by all National Socialists.

British Diplomat Leslie Edge, an ardent classical music expert, was a close friend of Karajan. He describes how in 1947 he arrived early at the conductor’s humble flat. Religious books of all sorts were scattered around. Passages in books had been underlined and notes scribbled in the margins.
"When he returned I asked him about it. He said that you don’t need any faith to believe in God, because there are plenty of signs available of His existence. Mozart wrote a symphony as a child. Heredity cannot account for this. There is only one explanation, the Creator chooses people as His instruments to produce some beauty in a world that is all too ugly."

Denis Stevens described the final von Karajan recording of Bruckner’s 7th Symphony in April 1989.
"I would say that Herbert von Karajan ventured where lesser conductors feared to go. He achieved immortality as a conductor of international acclaim. He did so by bringing to bear his consummate passion and ability to conduct not only the performance but everything related to it. We see and hear him now at the height of his powers, superbly able to keep a Bruckner symphony spinning not like a top but rather like some celestial sphere; massive, glowing, and infused with cosmic power."

The maestro of maestros passed peacefully on three months later. It is estimated that Karajan has nearly 1,000 recordings to his credit and cumulative sales far exceed 100 million.



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Once a National Socialist, Always a National Socialist 21 Dec 2016 18:16 #2

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National Socialist Composer Herbert von Karajan






Karajan’s National Socialist’s Party card

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Once a National Socialist, Always a National Socialist 21 Dec 2016 18:48 #3

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Once a National Socialist, always a National Socialist?

Definitely, it is the natural way for any countries people to organize themself in a proper manner.

National Socialism is neither 'right' nor 'left' - it is a cosmovision/world view. :)
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Once a National Socialist, Always a National Socialist 21 Dec 2016 21:59 #4

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^ That's right.

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Once a National Socialist, Always a National Socialist 22 Dec 2016 16:51 #5

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Once a National Socialist always a National Socialist.
Unless you are a formerly National Socialist country.
Germany for example.
Vote AfD.
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Once a National Socialist, Always a National Socialist 22 Dec 2016 18:03 #6

Steven wrote:
Once a National Socialist, always a National Socialist?

Definitely, it is the natural way for any countries people to organize themself in a proper manner.

National Socialism is neither 'right' nor 'left' - it is a cosmovision/world view. :)

Give us a list of what you think are NS groups in the World, would be very interested.
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Once a National Socialist, Always a National Socialist 22 Dec 2016 18:20 #7

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In my thread on jews and German values,
Pfiz denies hating jews and callING others jew as an insult.
I find this hilarious.
Pfiz commonly tries to insult other by calling them jews.
And ... pfiz is very obviously a jewphobe.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
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Once a National Socialist, Always a National Socialist 22 Dec 2016 18:26 #8

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bd wrote:
jewphobe

This doesn't sound good.

Judeophobe would be a better word. Not in terms of content though.

The phobias you accuse people of do not exist. It may be a disagreement, disgust or anything, but not phobia, which indicates fear.

Very mainstream Newspeak, but you don't seem to care about that. After all you've never shown to have an own view, just regurgitating what you've been told by Trudeau and his Trolls.
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Once a National Socialist, Always a National Socialist 22 Dec 2016 18:36 #9

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Once a National Socialist, Always a National Socialist 22 Dec 2016 18:44 #10

Gaia wrote:
bd wrote:
jewphobe

This doesn't sound good.

Judeophobe would be a better word. Not in terms of content though.

The phobias you accuse people of do not exist. It may be a disagreement, disgust or anything, but not phobia, which indicates fear.

Very mainstream Newspeak, but you don't seem to care about that. After all you've never shown to have an own view, just regurgitating what you've been told by Trudeau and his Trolls.

In the Frau's case I think its more circumcisedcockphobe :wissl:
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Once a National Socialist, Always a National Socialist 22 Dec 2016 21:03 #11

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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Steven wrote:
Once a National Socialist, always a National Socialist?

Definitely, it is the natural way for any countries people to organize themself in a proper manner.

National Socialism is neither 'right' nor 'left' - it is a cosmovision/world view. :)

Give us a list of what you think are NS groups in the World, would be very interested.

Fair question, not easy to answer. Maybe with a rhetoric question first?

Let's imagine a total remote village back in time without electricity and all the modern stuff. 250 - 500 people live there.
They know their area, the weather conditions, how to get food, etc. They know each other and celebrate some customs and so on.
What would be better for them? One leader, or a handful of 'leaders'?
That rhetoric question is not about good or bad leaders, it is about the situation itself.
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Once a National Socialist, Always a National Socialist 22 Dec 2016 21:17 #12

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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Steven wrote:
Once a National Socialist, always a National Socialist?

Definitely, it is the natural way for any countries people to organize themself in a proper manner.

National Socialism is neither 'right' nor 'left' - it is a cosmovision/world view. :)

Give us a list of what you think are NS groups in the World, would be very interested.

Fair question, not easy to answer. Maybe with a rhetoric question first?

Let's imagine a total remote village back in time without electricity and all the modern stuff. 250 - 500 people live there.
They know their area, the weather conditions, how to get food, etc. They know each other and celebrate some customs and so on.
What would be better for them? One leader, or a handful of 'leaders'?
That rhetoric question is not about good or bad leaders, it is about the situation itself.

Lets imagine :facepalm:



Im interested in what you would call NS Political groups anywhere in the world tbh, simple enough question.
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Once a National Socialist, Always a National Socialist 22 Dec 2016 21:43 #13

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Steven wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Steven wrote:
Once a National Socialist, always a National Socialist?

Definitely, it is the natural way for any countries people to organize themself in a proper manner.

National Socialism is neither 'right' nor 'left' - it is a cosmovision/world view. :)

Give us a list of what you think are NS groups in the World, would be very interested.

Fair question, not easy to answer. Maybe with a rhetoric question first?

Let's imagine a total remote village back in time without electricity and all the modern stuff. 250 - 500 people live there.
They know their area, the weather conditions, how to get food, etc. They know each other and celebrate some customs and so on.
What would be better for them? One leader ruler, or a handful of 'leaders' rulers?
That rhetoric question is not about good or bad leaders, it is about the situation itself.

No rulers. Leaders yes, but that's not what Statism is; rulers. By force.

And indeed multiple rulers is less damaging than one ruler. One ruler can decide everything, while multiple have to make compromises. That may not be ideal. but it is at least less impacting on the people """ruled""' by them.

Or in simpler terms: "in current """democracy""" you can be left, right, centre, anarchist (morally at least), Nazi (if you keep your symbols at home) or whatever else and you are not harmed". Under a dictatorship (whatever the flag waiving) it is "what the dictator says is good, is allowed, what he disapproves of will be punished".
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What I mean is this: A remote village, some thousand years back in time. Very basic, but a village.
People live there and organize themself. They know how to survive and what is best for them. Some sort of leader might be helpful, if it comes to minor arguments, or to overlook the villagelive. If the one also has some expierence as a warrior or defender with tactical skills, the better.
People would instinctivley choose one trustful and reliable man out of their ranks. A man who grew up with them, a man who is part of that village.

I am very sure that this is what happend automatically and naturally. People choosed a trustworhty one from their own ranks to overlook the village who tooks care for a peaceful daily routine. That simply is helpful for a good co-existing of individuals. A wise intermediary who is fully responsible for all his actions. He is one of them, if he works against his own people, he works against himself. (Reminder: I do not talk about nowadays totally corrupted politicians)

If one looks how animals organize themself, one will find the same pattern. One leader for the herd or pack. Fully responsible.
Imagine a herd of sheeple, pardon, sheeps... :D with 4 or 5 herdleaders and a pack of wolfes on its way. One leader runs this way and the other one another...and the herd? Who to follow? No, one leader is the natural way.
As long as everything runs well, he is not needed, because people organize themself, but if danger occurs, from the inside or outside, then he is needed and it is good, if he is already choosen then.

Once again, I am very sure, that this is the natural and timeless way which works fine. Of course, there is always a risk, that someone might take over and switches from leader to ruler, but then it is the people who could/should stop him rightaway. They also are responsible - for whom they choose and what he does.

Ok, but how could that work in modern and highly developt countries? Very simple - staggered leadership.

One villiage - one leader. One town, 5 boroughs - 5 leaders responsible for its individual borough only, but working together with the town leader, who is responsible for matters affecting the whole town, but has not much to say in the boroughs.
In a state, the stateleader is responsible for matters and affairs who concern the state, but he has nothing to say in towns or villages, because people there organize themself and know what is best for them.
Leaders should be choosen for one year only, with no extra benefit after the job is over, but should be fully responsible for their actions. Of course a leader could be choosen many times in a row, if people like what he does.
Dictatorship not possible, because the state leader has nothing to command in districts, cities, towns and villages.

I am sure, that would work. Way better than nowadays democracy, where parties fighting for their comfortable and well paid seats in blah blah houses. The pity is - people are so used to that punch-and-judy-show, thinking that's the only political way to go.
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Steven wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Steven wrote:
Once a National Socialist, always a National Socialist?

Definitely, it is the natural way for any countries people to organize themself in a proper manner.

National Socialism is neither 'right' nor 'left' - it is a cosmovision/world view. :)

Give us a list of what you think are NS groups in the World, would be very interested.

Fair question, not easy to answer. Maybe with a rhetoric question first?

Let's imagine a total remote village back in time without electricity and all the modern stuff. 250 - 500 people live there.
They know their area, the weather conditions, how to get food, etc. They know each other and celebrate some customs and so on.
What would be better for them? One leader, or a handful of 'leaders'?
That rhetoric question is not about good or bad leaders, it is about the situation itself.

There are just under 2,000 electors living here in our village of 960 households.
We have one shop, one pub a parish church that opens once a month and a Methodist Chapel open every Sunday plus our Village Hall where most community things happen.
We are all of us white and apart from three Scots, one guy from Dublin and two Polish lasses married to English guys; we are all of us English born and raised.
We elect a Parish Council consisting of 10 councillors.
If we don't like what they are doing, we elect replacement councillors.
That works well, every councillor lives here, they are available and people know them and are known by them.
No way would anyone tolerate some one man band running the show.
Dictators are for Arabs.
Civilised people have grown out of needing a dictator.
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Once a National Socialist, Always a National Socialist 23 Dec 2016 16:04 #16

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Gaia wrote:
No rulers. Leaders yes, but that's not what Statism is; rulers. By force.

Hitler definately was a leader.

Why else do you think he could just be driven around standing in his open Mercedes?

Look at how happy the millions of people were right there:



People could have assassinated him at any time right there, but they didn't. Guess why?
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Once a National Socialist, Always a National Socialist 23 Dec 2016 16:09 #17

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GMP wrote:
There are just under 2,000 electors living here in our village of 960 households.
We have one shop, one pub a parish church that opens once a month and a Methodist Chapel open every Sunday plus our Village Hall where most community things happen.
We are all of us white and apart from three Scots, one guy from Dublin and two Polish lasses married to English guys; we are all of us English born and raised.
We elect a Parish Council consisting of 10 councillors.
If we don't like what they are doing, we elect replacement councillors.
That works well, every councillor lives here, they are available and people know them and are known by them.
No way would anyone tolerate some one man band running the show.
Dictators are for Arabs.
Civilised people have grown out of needing a dictator.

Sounds like a nice little town...but be aware, don't say it too loud that all of you are 'white'...diversity is the future as you might know. :P

Besides that, could it be, that you have the idea of 'leader' automatically means 'dictator'?
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Once a National Socialist, Always a National Socialist 23 Dec 2016 16:27 #18

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Steven wrote:
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There are just under 2,000 electors living here in our village of 960 households.
We have one shop, one pub a parish church that opens once a month and a Methodist Chapel open every Sunday plus our Village Hall where most community things happen.
We are all of us white and apart from three Scots, one guy from Dublin and two Polish lasses married to English guys; we are all of us English born and raised.
We elect a Parish Council consisting of 10 councillors.
If we don't like what they are doing, we elect replacement councillors.
That works well, every councillor lives here, they are available and people know them and are known by them.
No way would anyone tolerate some one man band running the show.
Dictators are for Arabs.
Civilised people have grown out of needing a dictator.

Sounds like a nice little town...but be aware, don't say it too loud that all of you are 'white'...diversity is the future as you might know. :P

Besides that, could it be, that you have the idea of 'leader' automatically means 'dictator'?

Yep we like it.
Ghettoes are great places just so long as everyone living in the ghetto wants to be there.
Diversity is an urban phenomenon in England because people of colour don't opt to live in remote rural or isolated coastal regions.
Hence the white flight to villages in areas such as ours.
Having one person in charge of everything is a recipe for disaster because no one person can do everything well.
Having 10 councillors brings a spread of interests, talents and abilities. It also allows electors to choose between candidates when we have elections or by-elections.
Trouble with one person rule is that all you have is that one person and invariably she or he wants the job to pass on to their son.
Call it a leader, dictator or a tribal chief, a king or a warlord , whatever.
If it is one dude in charge then that aint good.
Electors deserve to have a choice and a voice to get rid of any councillor who isn't doing a good job.
Local delegate-democracy mate.
Not perfect, but the alternatives are worse.
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Once a National Socialist, Always a National Socialist 23 Dec 2016 16:35 #19

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Steven wrote:
Sounds like a nice little town...but be aware, don't say it too loud that all of you are 'white'...diversity is the future as you might know. :P

Besides that, could it be, that you have the idea of 'leader' automatically means 'dictator'?

Well, Hitler was a leader and of course a dictator as he gained full-power over Germany.

But that won't say he was a bad man.

There was no other option than turning Germany into an authoritarian State in order to get them out of that mess and educate the people about what was going on in the world.

No matter if Hitler took power or not, we are living in a 'hidden' dictatorship called democracy anyway.

Democracy = soft power system, nothing really 'works' and very easy to manipulate
Authoritarian = hard power system and more difficult to manipulate (as long as the right ppl are in control ofc)
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GMP wrote:
Having one person in charge of everything is a recipe for disaster because no one person can do everything well.
Having 10 councillors brings a spread of interests, talents and abilities. It also allows electors to choose between candidates when we have elections or by-elections.
Trouble with one person rule is that all you have is that one person and invariably she or he wants the job to pass on to their son.
Call it a dictator or a tribal chief, a king or a warlord , whatever.

Ok, I see...we talk about different things :ponda:

Anyway, a leader is not in charge to 'rule' or doing everything well for everybody.
As I said many times before: People organize themself in their daily routine.

I am short in time now, will write more later...
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