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TOPIC: What is reality?

What is reality? 23 Sep 2018 10:26 #1

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What is reality? 23 Sep 2018 10:44 #2

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What is reality? 23 Sep 2018 10:53 #3

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What is reality? 23 Sep 2018 11:04 #4

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What is reality? 23 Sep 2018 11:13 #5

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Its not about life experiences it's about perception. People who are living in poverty are not projecting that on purpose, there's nothing they can do about how their lives in Africa are, the point is they only perceive their lives via electrical signals due to touch. So they have no food as a global shared illusion gives them no food, not themselves, they only perceive how it's been laid out for them to perceive via the sensory notifications they are delivered, Mac's,

In other words if I supply you with the tools of perception and then infest them with notifications of shit, you'll perceive shit.
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What is reality? 23 Sep 2018 11:45 #6

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Does thinking about this stuff really mean anything if we cant (or there arent people who can) harness and control it?
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What is reality? 23 Sep 2018 12:09 #7

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I think it could make a difference if more people got on-board/became aware with it. I also think the mystery schools and religious bigheadeans are aware.

The thing is, I don;t know if this illusion is taking it's natural path or we've been bent. For example for people to perceive constant starvation or illness, well they must be being confronted with a lot of negative energy notifications,

Let's take for example an Elite Jew, say a Rothschild, he's a a number of fancy living quarters and more or less anything he wants, he's not on the bread line etc.. So somehow these elites (according to my posts on reality) either have a way of manipulating the triggers for their senses so they only get good shit to perceive, or somehow their senses are being delivered vibrations that manifest as positive illusions for them, which are somehow agreed by the rest of us.

So let's say the starving kid in Africa has his senses perception detection tool held aloft, he's getting negative vibrations and thus has a shit life, when everyone else sees his life they tune into the vibrations he's being fed, so they see his shit life too, but they're separate from it, they have their own feed. So Rothschild is getting a good feed.
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What is reality? 23 Sep 2018 12:16 #8

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It must have all been sorted out a long time ago and passed through certain bloodlines.

it might be that positive vibrations are attracted to one another, so if you're rich and live in a wealth life, you keep getting the same...so every Rothschild born will attract positive vibrations and perceive a good wealthy life etc..People in poverty will in the most part remain there.

it's like if you pluck a bum note on a guitar it won't get you anywhere. if you get a nice note, you might get another, you learn to play well, and people listen to you...etc. it's only vibration your using to agitate their hearing senses.

if you got a nice house like Rothschild, people might look and say ''wow look at that place, I wonder who the lucky bugger is'' and they're exchanging positivity with Rothschild. When they see a starving kid in Africa, it's a negative experience, they don't like it, I don't want to sound lacking empathy or cynical but they don't like feeling low, they'd rather not see starvation. They're glad it's not themselves or their own children, so they're in some way happy to have the starvation in Africa out of the way, it's miserable, negative, they don't want to get infected, they want to be happy, they'd rather see Rothschild driving a fancy car or the Queen of England attending a Royal wedding.
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What is reality? 23 Sep 2018 12:46 #9

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I assume that if Rothschild and a starving African kid were to trade places a bit like that film with Eddie Murphy, then all the nice wealthy stuff and ass kissing that Rothschild gets will alter the kids perception and he;ll get a good vibration feed. he'll be in Rothschild's ancestral position. and vice versa. You can only perceive what sub-atomic particles have sent you by stimulating your senses, it's a bit like one of those holo-deck instances in Star Trek, it seems that somehow wealth in the financial sense can bring one collections of sub-atomic particles that produce pleasant experiences, but what it means is those particles will have an opposite, So because Rothschild et al are buying up all the positive shit, the rest of us to varying degrees have the left overs to squabble over.

So of course a kid in Africa is going to be left with fuck all but the shit life that nobody else wants. All the wealth from Africa has been extracted.

if there are a group of sub atomic particles specifically for a gold ring, it's those particles you purchase, and they stimulate your senses, the African kid won't get those, they'll get the sub-atomic particles that make up a bit of trash to eat.

So the senses are the same it's the stimulation that changes.
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What is reality? 23 Sep 2018 14:18 #10

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What is reality? 23 Sep 2018 18:39 #11

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^ if that's a display of reality, or rather a behaviour brought on by war etc...the questions are, how can you notice it unless it's in your mind? How can anything seem to exist unless you detect it in your mind?

Once you realise you can't detect anything until it's in your mind, the next step is to figure out how it got there...how does an external vision or sound enter the mind, how does reality get in there from the outside?

You'll find after consideration that your senses are sensing something, delivering that something to your mind, and then your mind decides what it's going to be. So once you agree with someone else what that something is, then you might fight over it, but you won't even feel pain unless your mind is working well enough for you to deliver it, in other words, if you had a head injury you could lose the feeling to a relevant body part, because all pain is felt with the mind, not the point of injury. So if I prodded you with a sewing needle that's just where the signal is sent from the injury to the brain and returned again from the brain as an illusion of pain to the specific body part, thus to warn you to tend to your injury.

So we already know that the mind is making up pain, it's not an external thing, it's not at the point of injury, it's a trick, so we know our minds are making shit up such as pain and delivering to points of injury as an illusion, the pain is really in the mind. That's due to our senses causing the trigger.. All we need do now is to see the other feelings, sight, sound, etc, in the same format as pain.
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What is reality? 23 Sep 2018 20:46 #12

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IMO, reality is simply, agreement?

The more you agree upon something the more solid (real) it becomes. Take for example a reoccurring thought of yours. the more you visit that thought, the more solid (real) it becomes.

Thoughts have a Mass. The Mass is real, NOT imaginary, and can be measured electronically. Furthermore, certain thoughts have a greater Mass than other thoughts. Thoughts containing trauma, loss or regret, weight more than ordinary thoughts. This was known to ancient Egyptians more than 4,000 years ago, and was part of their coronation ceremony named. MAAT

The dead Pharaoh's heart was symbolically placed on a scale. At one end of the scale was placed a feather. On the opposite side was placed the heart of the Pharaoh. If the heart of the Pharaoh weight leas than the feather, he ascended to heaven, if not he was subject to rebirth.

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What is reality? 23 Sep 2018 21:03 #13

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Yes. I like the theory that we agreed our perceptions when we were more simple creatures and now they/we have evolved in unison we are trapped in that version of reality that we agree upon, anyone who didn't agree upon it would not have survived in our perception agreement,. There may well be other groups of creatures on this planet with their own set of agreements that we don't perceive, like another dimension, so they have the same stimulation of their senses as we get but their different agreement of perception to ours means that they have different images, sounds, and experiences, we can't see them, they can't see us. We;re out of each others agreements.
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What is reality? 23 Sep 2018 21:29 #14

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Frothy wrote:
Yes. I like the theory that we agreed our perceptions when we were more simple creatures and now they/we have evolved in unison we are trapped in that version of reality that we agree upon, anyone who didn't agree upon it would not have survived in our perception agreement,. There may well be other groups of creatures on this planet with their own set of agreements that we don't perceive, like another dimension, so they have the same stimulation of their senses as we get but their different agreement of perception to ours means that they have different images, sounds, and experiences, we can't see them, they can't see us. We;re out of each others agreements.

That's a great post, Frothy.

Not to many people can articulate the Subjective well at all.

Here's a thought, what if the physical universe and all that's in it ,be nothing more than the collective thoughts (agreements) of all the beings in the physical universe?

"what goes up must come down", is said to be a reality? Who made it that way, and why? Has it always been that way? If there were no beings around to agree upon that reality, would it actually be a reality?

Only a few hundred miles above earth, that reality does not hold true. In space what goes up does not have to come down.
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What is reality? 23 Sep 2018 21:54 #15

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Here's a thought, what if the physical universe and all that's in it ,be nothing more than the collective thoughts (agreements) of all the beings in the physical universe?

That's exactly what I think it is...as I keep saying, nothing can be noticed unless it's in your mind, you can't even know it exists unless it's in your mind. So when you look up at the night sky, all the stars, all that space, it's in your mind, just like when we look through a microscope at infinite microworld, it's in our minds.

This explains exactly why the further we look, using a telescope in the macroworld or a microscope in the microworld, the end gets further away...in other words the further we look the more there is.

It's the same with the dimension of sound, we can only detect certain frequencies with our ears, after that we need technical listening devices to collect the frequencies but we need to translate them into out dimension of sound so we can actually hear them. But no matter how high or low frequency we can go...it's like we're making more as we go...it's why the sensory tools we have do have a limit, but when we use man made devices, we can keep refining them, but we'll never reach an end to space, subatomic life, the spectrum of sound, because it's us that create it. It's impossible for us to perceive nothing, so when we look into where nothing was, we fill it with our sensory perceptions,

It's like walking in a dark tunnel wearing a miners helmet with the attached lamp, and hoping to find the end of the light, without realising we're projecting it.
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What is reality? 24 Sep 2018 01:03 #16

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A past employer of mine used to say to me "you are what you are perceived to be" .. in relation to dealing with customers etc.

I thought about it at the time and figured he had a point.

This thread puts a new spin on that phrase. :hahano:
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What is reality? 24 Sep 2018 16:51 #17

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it does reach the point where it become difficult to articulate the points, language causes a sort of barrier, I guess it's always expanding too but just not at the same rate as our minds.

The ultimate point of reality the way I see it is that time and space don't exist externally but rather they are tools that we carry with us so that we can put things into order and separate them.

Bearing in mind what I said previously about how there could be different creatures living with us, but we don't perceive them and vice versa due to having a different mental agreement to what our senses deliver us is to be...

...well this is where it gets even more bizarre and difficult to articulate. Just imagine that time and space are indeed what we project so we can bring order to the chaotic sensations that we receive, well that would mean that everything is now. It means that the Vikings are attacking the English coast now, the Romans are engaged in the Punic wars now, everything is now, but, here's the but, They perceive their sensory stimulation as if we're living at that time, we receive ours for this time, and we're tricked into seeing theirs as a past event. We've arranged the nows into a time line and put space between them, and have ourselves at the top, those behind us, have them at the top, and those ahead of us likewise. So humanity hasn't lived through all these instances in time, they're all occurring now, but we can't cope with that so we project time onto them and place them in an order which makes some sort of sense to us, but it explains how these odd objects found out of place in historical sites are so, because they;re now, and we can't get everything perfect when we try to arrange reality into order.

Look at it like this, your Grandmother;s past is now, you;re Granddaughter's future is now. There is only now. All instances in time, are now. when you remember or recall something, you do it now, when you hear about King Henry VIII you hear about him now, or you recall hearing about him now. You could be walking to the bus stop but on your way walk through the Battle of Waterloo, in front of cannon fire or a cavalry charge, but your senses ain't picking it up, the agreement for now is for now. We've placed the Battle of Waterloo in the past, we've agreed it's not here, it's gone, long gone. Those people, The Duke of Wellington etc, have agreed their fighting a battle now, so the sensation their perceiving a sort of vibration to their senses, they have translated that into their fighting a battle, but you might have translated the same sensation in our agreement as a walk to the bus stop. So instead if you sensing a bayonet to your guts you sense a bus driver saying ''tickets please'' etc.. When you die, we all sense you died and remember you now, you'll most likely go off into sensing something else in another agreement, you no longer belong here, you don;t share our now, we only remember you now, this now will seem like the Battle of Waterloo to you, something that occurred in the past, you'll be living a new now.You're still here but your agreement has expired, you no longer agree to live in this now, and we agree you've gone too. it's a bit like that US tv show Quantum Leap,

All the other people that died around the same now as you, are still going about, you'll see them in your new now. this now that you left will be in your memories as another time in history, you won;t know you were here.
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What is reality? 24 Sep 2018 18:59 #18

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Frothy wrote:
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Here's a thought, what if the physical universe and all that's in it ,be nothing more than the collective thoughts (agreements) of all the beings in the physical universe?

That's exactly what I think it is...as I keep saying, nothing can be noticed unless it's in your mind, you can't even know it exists unless it's in your mind. So when you look up at the night sky, all the stars, all that space, it's in your mind, just like when we look through a microscope at infinite microworld, it's in our minds.

This explains exactly why the further we look, using a telescope in the macroworld or a microscope in the microworld, the end gets further away...in other words the further we look the more there is.

It's the same with the dimension of sound, we can only detect certain frequencies with our ears, after that we need technical listening devices to collect the frequencies but we need to translate them into out dimension of sound so we can actually hear them. But no matter how high or low frequency we can go...it's like we're making more as we go...it's why the sensory tools we have do have a limit, but when we use man made devices, we can keep refining them, but we'll never reach an end to space, subatomic life, the spectrum of sound, because it's us that create it. It's impossible for us to perceive nothing, so when we look into where nothing was, we fill it with our sensory perceptions,

It's like walking in a dark tunnel wearing a miners helmet with the attached lamp, and hoping to find the end of the light, without realising we're projecting it.

Totally agree^^^!

We produce what we perceive!

The physical universe is composed of Energy operating in Space and Time. We produce Energy, Space, and Time, every time we think a thought. Ultimately, we are Energy, Space, and Time production units.

This is not mere conjecture. It can be proven, a Mass, is created every time we think a thought. Furthermore, this Mass is created out of "thin air". because it did not exist prior to it being created by thought.

Thus, the old philosophical cliche, "how my souls can fit on the head of a needle?" is answered. ......An infinite number can fit, because when we're talking about the soul, we're talking about an Energy, Space, and Time, production unit.
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What is reality? 24 Sep 2018 22:55 #19

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Reality is probably the opposite of whatever you think it is.
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Another point to make on my theory, 'reality is agreement'.....

Take for instance, an abusive parent calling his son, 'stupid', Does the son actually become stupid because his abusive parent called him that? if so, what would be the defining moment, the child became, stupid because of his father?

Answer: It would be the point at which the child, AGREED with the father that indeed, he was, stupid.

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