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The Oxymoron that is Antifa 11 Jan 2019 18:56 #1

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The Demands of Antifa and the Original Fascists Have a Lot in Common

The members of Antifa are not opponents to fascism but its genuine representatives.



A ghastly phantom has descended upon America: the specter of anti-capitalism. Young people march behind the socialist bandwagon and some activists block free speech as members of a group called “Antifa”.

This “anti-fascist” movement engages in militant protests and does not shrink from using violence. As a part of the extreme left, the members of the “antifa-movement” are self-proclaimed “anti-capitalists” and declared “enemies of the right”. They call themselves “anti-fascist”, when, in fact, more than any other ideology, fascism characterizes their own movement.

Yet what is fascism and what is the content of this ideology?

The "Fascist Manifesto"
The Fascist Manifesto was proclaimed in 1919 by Alceste De Ambris and Filippo Tommaso Marienetti. In their pamphlet, the authors called for an eight-hour workday and a minimum wage; it demanded worker representation in industrial management and equal standing of trade unions, industrial executives, and public servants.

The Manifesto demanded the confiscation of the property of all religious institutions.

The authors of the Fascist Manifesto demanded progressive taxation, invalidity insurance, and other types of social benefits, along with reducing the retirement age. The Manifesto demanded the confiscation of the property of all religious institutions and to nationalize the armament industry.

The authors of the Fascist Manifesto called for establishing a corporatist system of ‘National Councils’ formed by experts to be elected by their professional organizations who should hold legislative power in their respective areas.

De Ambris and Marienetti demanded a strong progressive tax on capital to expropriate a portion of all wealth and the seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations together with the nationalization of the arms industry.

In 1922, the socialist Benito Mussolini came to power in Italy under the banner of fascism and put most of the fascist program into practice as it was proclaimed in the Manifesto some years earlier.

Compared with the Communist Manifesto
A comparison with the Manifesto of the Communist Party, written by Marx and Engels and published in 1848, reveals the kinship of fascism and Communism.

The Communist Manifesto of 170 years ago demanded:

Strongly progressive taxes
Centralization of credit in the hands of the state by a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly
Centralization of the transport system in the hands of the state
Unification of the farmlands of agriculture and industry with the aim of gradually eliminating the contrast between town and country
Public free education of all children, elimination of factory work of children in its present form, union of education with material production.
According to the Communist Decalogue, the items left to achieve full-blown socialism were:

Requirement 1 - Expropriation of the landed property and use of the basic rent for state expenditure
Requirement 4 - Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels
Requirement 8 - Equal obligation to work for all; establishment of an industrial army including in agriculture.
Both the Communist and the Fascist Manifestos are echoed in the official Party Program of the Nazis, which was launched in 1920.

Nazi Party Demands
Adolf Hitler himself was present when the 25 points of the program of the Nazi Party were announced on February 24, 1920. The name Nazism itself says it all: it is the abbreviation of NSDAP which stands for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers Party).

In 1925, The General Assembly of the NSDAP declared the program of 1920 as "immutable", and in 1941 Adolf Hitler determined that all future leaders of the Reich must be sworn in on the 25 points.

The Program of the Nazi Party includes demands such as:

Socialization of monopoly companies
Municipalization of large department stores
Expropriation of land for charitable purposes
Prevention of real estate speculation
Expansion of the entire education system
A comprehensive system of free public schools and generous study stipends and grants
A clean environment along with promoting the health and the fitness of the people.

In particular, the Nazi party program demanded

the abolition of easy income without work (item 11)
confiscation of war profits (item 12)
the nationalization of all trust enterprises (item 13)
profit sharing in large companies (item 14)
generous expansion of retirement provision (item 15)
the creation of a healthy middle class (item 16)
a land reform adapted to national needs, creating a law for the free expropriation of land for charitable purposes. Abolition of land consumption and prevention of any land speculation (item 17).
In plank 20 the party program required that ‘the state must ensure that our entire national education system gets thoroughly expanded’ with an ample system of subsidies for education.

In plank 21, the program demanded that ‘the state has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.”

This selection of demands shows the high degree of similarity of these three ideologies.
The Nazis called for the creation of a “People’s Army”—not different from what later the Communists in Eastern Europe and Asia promoted.

This selection of demands from the Communist, fascist, and Nazi catalogs shows the high degree of similarity between the lines of thought of these three ideologies. What the communists express in the slogan ‘from each according to his abilities, to each according to his need’ is equal to the Nazi dictum that the ‘common good comes before the private good’ (‘Gemeinnutz vor Eigennutz’) and the fascist motto of ‘all within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state’. It comes as no surprise that the communist, fascist, and national-socialist governments have acted as repressive regimes that brought neither prosperity nor equality or peace but misery, suppression, and war.

After the left has pocketed the concept of liberalism and turned the word into the opposite of its original meaning, the Antifa-movement uses a false terminology to hide its true agenda. While calling themselves “antifascist” and declaring fascism as the enemy, the Antifa itself is a foremost fascist movement.

The members of Antifa are not opponents to fascism but themselves its genuine representatives. Communism, Socialism, Fascism are united by the common band of anti-capitalism and anti-liberalism.

The Antifa movement is a fascist movement. The enemy of this movement is not fascism but liberty, peace, and prosperity.
fee.org/articles/the-demands-of-antifa-and-the-original-fascists-have-a-lot-in-common/
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The Oxymoron that is Antifa 11 Jan 2019 20:25 #2

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Someone should show this to Antifa ''are we the baddies'' :yeahno:

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I'd say antifa are not all that different from the brown shirts back in the day.

it's a bit like who;s fighting who? Really.
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The Oxymoron that is Antifa 11 Jan 2019 20:42 #4

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I'd say antifa are not all that different from the brown shirts back in the day.

it's a bit like who;s fighting who? Really.

Indeed, it is (((Sturmabteilung))) vs (((Haganah))) all over again.
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Antifa: Fascists in All But Name

This video says it all really.
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The Oxymoron that is Antifa 12 Jan 2019 03:10 #6

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Sorry but that old canard of calling Antifa "fascists" is really stupid.

You can even say they use some of the same tactics as fascists (violence, street brawling, intimidation etc.) but that doesn't make them fascists.

That is as stupid as saying, "white supremacists use violence, therefore everyone who uses violence is a white supremacist"

So all soldiers are white supremacists, all gangs are white supremacists, simply because they use violence and white supremacists also use violence.

If somebody attacks a pedophile with violence, are they also a fascist ?

Anitfa opposes fascism, you dont become a fascist simply because you use violence or intimidation, that isn't what makes somebody a fascist.

So this silly "antifa are the real fascists" meme is very stupid and overused, propaganda from the right wing elites, I believe I saw it first on Fox News with clowns like Sean Hannity.

Using violence or intimidation does not make you a fascist.

Using violence to support corporations or a far right wing agenda would make you a fascist.

People love to throw around words without even understanding what they mean.
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The Oxymoron that is Antifa 12 Jan 2019 03:21 #7

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Frothy wrote:
The Demands of Antifa and the Original Fascists Have a Lot in Common

The members of Antifa are not opponents to fascism but its genuine representatives.



A ghastly phantom has descended upon America: the specter of anti-capitalism. Young people march behind the socialist bandwagon and some activists block free speech as members of a group called “Antifa”.

This “anti-fascist” movement engages in militant protests and does not shrink from using violence. As a part of the extreme left, the members of the “antifa-movement” are self-proclaimed “anti-capitalists” and declared “enemies of the right”. They call themselves “anti-fascist”, when, in fact, more than any other ideology, fascism characterizes their own movement.

Yet what is fascism and what is the content of this ideology?

The "Fascist Manifesto"
The Fascist Manifesto was proclaimed in 1919 by Alceste De Ambris and Filippo Tommaso Marienetti. In their pamphlet, the authors called for an eight-hour workday and a minimum wage; it demanded worker representation in industrial management and equal standing of trade unions, industrial executives, and public servants.

The Manifesto demanded the confiscation of the property of all religious institutions.

The authors of the Fascist Manifesto demanded progressive taxation, invalidity insurance, and other types of social benefits, along with reducing the retirement age. The Manifesto demanded the confiscation of the property of all religious institutions and to nationalize the armament industry.

The authors of the Fascist Manifesto called for establishing a corporatist system of ‘National Councils’ formed by experts to be elected by their professional organizations who should hold legislative power in their respective areas.

De Ambris and Marienetti demanded a strong progressive tax on capital to expropriate a portion of all wealth and the seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations together with the nationalization of the arms industry.

In 1922, the socialist Benito Mussolini came to power in Italy under the banner of fascism and put most of the fascist program into practice as it was proclaimed in the Manifesto some years earlier.

Compared with the Communist Manifesto
A comparison with the Manifesto of the Communist Party, written by Marx and Engels and published in 1848, reveals the kinship of fascism and Communism.

The Communist Manifesto of 170 years ago demanded:

Strongly progressive taxes
Centralization of credit in the hands of the state by a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly
Centralization of the transport system in the hands of the state
Unification of the farmlands of agriculture and industry with the aim of gradually eliminating the contrast between town and country
Public free education of all children, elimination of factory work of children in its present form, union of education with material production.
According to the Communist Decalogue, the items left to achieve full-blown socialism were:

Requirement 1 - Expropriation of the landed property and use of the basic rent for state expenditure
Requirement 4 - Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels
Requirement 8 - Equal obligation to work for all; establishment of an industrial army including in agriculture.
Both the Communist and the Fascist Manifestos are echoed in the official Party Program of the Nazis, which was launched in 1920.

Nazi Party Demands
Adolf Hitler himself was present when the 25 points of the program of the Nazi Party were announced on February 24, 1920. The name Nazism itself says it all: it is the abbreviation of NSDAP which stands for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers Party).

In 1925, The General Assembly of the NSDAP declared the program of 1920 as "immutable", and in 1941 Adolf Hitler determined that all future leaders of the Reich must be sworn in on the 25 points.

The Program of the Nazi Party includes demands such as:

Socialization of monopoly companies
Municipalization of large department stores
Expropriation of land for charitable purposes
Prevention of real estate speculation
Expansion of the entire education system
A comprehensive system of free public schools and generous study stipends and grants
A clean environment along with promoting the health and the fitness of the people.

In particular, the Nazi party program demanded

the abolition of easy income without work (item 11)
confiscation of war profits (item 12)
the nationalization of all trust enterprises (item 13)
profit sharing in large companies (item 14)
generous expansion of retirement provision (item 15)
the creation of a healthy middle class (item 16)
a land reform adapted to national needs, creating a law for the free expropriation of land for charitable purposes. Abolition of land consumption and prevention of any land speculation (item 17).
In plank 20 the party program required that ‘the state must ensure that our entire national education system gets thoroughly expanded’ with an ample system of subsidies for education.

In plank 21, the program demanded that ‘the state has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.”

This selection of demands shows the high degree of similarity of these three ideologies.
The Nazis called for the creation of a “People’s Army”—not different from what later the Communists in Eastern Europe and Asia promoted.

This selection of demands from the Communist, fascist, and Nazi catalogs shows the high degree of similarity between the lines of thought of these three ideologies. What the communists express in the slogan ‘from each according to his abilities, to each according to his need’ is equal to the Nazi dictum that the ‘common good comes before the private good’ (‘Gemeinnutz vor Eigennutz’) and the fascist motto of ‘all within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state’. It comes as no surprise that the communist, fascist, and national-socialist governments have acted as repressive regimes that brought neither prosperity nor equality or peace but misery, suppression, and war.

After the left has pocketed the concept of liberalism and turned the word into the opposite of its original meaning, the Antifa-movement uses a false terminology to hide its true agenda. While calling themselves “antifascist” and declaring fascism as the enemy, the Antifa itself is a foremost fascist movement.

The members of Antifa are not opponents to fascism but themselves its genuine representatives. Communism, Socialism, Fascism are united by the common band of anti-capitalism and anti-liberalism.

The Antifa movement is a fascist movement. The enemy of this movement is not fascism but liberty, peace, and prosperity.
fee.org/articles/the-demands-of-antifa-and-the-original-fascists-have-a-lot-in-common/

thanks for posting this Koch brothers funded nonsense. Anybody who believes Fascists and Communists are the same, is an idiot. They may have some similarities, but they are nothing alike.

I guess because I am comprised of mainly water and so is an orange, we are the same. :facepalm:

here's a clue. People who think alike and "are the same" dont usually always fight with one another. You would think that would be obvious to people who throw about this stupid meme.

Why do people so easily believe such stupid propaganda ?
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The Oxymoron that is Antifa 12 Jan 2019 05:16 #8

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Thank.god you explained.it.for everyone.vancity

Im sure all the.forum readers are heading out.tomorrow.to.buy a balaclava.and.some.skinny jeans

Maybe they will.go.the full.antifa and get themselves.a.20 thousand dollar.major in.gender.studies

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The Oxymoron that is Antifa 12 Jan 2019 05:20 #9

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Hows that guy doing who was sent to the hospital with brain damage after trying to hitt Ruffio.with a baton ?

Hope he gets back.on the front lines.ASAP

We need.brave warriors like him to lead the.charge and.hopefully his dad can buy us all.a.subway afterwards and we can head over to starbucks to use the free.wifi and plot the overthrow of our god.damned.biology teacher who refuses.to.use thw correct pronouns

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The Oxymoron that is Antifa 12 Jan 2019 11:13 #10

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That is as stupid as saying, "white supremacists use violence, therefore everyone who uses violence is a white supremacist"

That's a strawman argument son.

Fascism is recognised as a group of people being intolerant of any view but their own, and they use violence and fear tactics to oppress other ideas to their own.

Communism in the Stalin, Lenin et al concept was based on terror, violence, and fear, and of course like Italian fascism and NSDAP Germany, big big government.

Deny it all you please. coggy dissy is amusing to observe :ownd:

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Anybody who believes Fascists and Communists are the same, is an idiot

The true concept of Communism has never occurred at State level, what there was with the aforementioned dictators is forced Socialism, in fact Stalin killed more people that Hitler, the nazis and Italian Fascist Party if anything we'rent quite as Fascist as Stalin, Lenin was a terrorist who was imported to Russia by the Germans near the end of WW1 to disrupt the Russian Empire. He then went on to kill or torture anyone not in agreement.

The NSDAP & Italian Fascist Party were based on race, that was often their number one criterion, the so called Communists did the same thing but based their fascist cull on worth and input towards their centralised government dictatorship.

Antifa go about smashing things up and hurting people simply because they see those things are in opposition to their preferences, that's fascism right there. They don;t do any good, nothing positive, they just disrupt and destroy, they make people who are against neonazism or white supremacy look worse than the actual neonazis or white supremacists.

If they were interested in Social equality they'd do something positive such as use their own time to create some valuable public service at no financial cost to others, instead of being degenerate intolerant tools of riotous thuggery. They're fascist, black shits instead of brown shirts.
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The Oxymoron that is Antifa 12 Jan 2019 11:30 #11

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Fascism or ignorance?
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porridge wrote:
Fascism or ignorance?


Where's that recorded? Mogadishu?
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Flare wrote:
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Fascism or ignorance?


Where's that recorded? Mogadishu?

Goodluck with the white nationalism.
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Antifa protesters chant outside Fox's Tucker Carlson's home, break door

A group of angry Antifa protestors gathered outside of Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson's home on Wednesday evening.

The anti-fascists group, possibly associated with Smash Racism D.C., chanted "Tucker Carlson, we will fight. We know where you sleep at night" outside of Carlson's Washington home, according to Fox News. In a video posted online, the group can also be heard saying, "Racist scumbag, leave town!"

Carlson's wife, Susie, was home alone at the time. He told Fox she locked herself into a pantry and called police.

The host of "Tucker Carlson Tonight" said the group broke his oak door and one person mentioned a pipe bomb, as heard on a security video.

“Here’s the problem, I have four children,” he told Fox. “I never thought twice about leaving them home alone, but this is the reaction because this group doesn’t like my TV show.”

Smash Racism D.C., posted Carlson's family address on Twitter in a now-deleted post, The Daily Caller reports. Carlson told Fox the home addresses of his brother and his former college roommate, Neil Patel, who co-founded "The Daily Caller" with him, were also made public.

The group's Twitter account was suspended as of Thursday morning.

Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott and the network's president, Jay Wallace, issued a joint statement calling the incident "reprehensible" and "unacceptable."

"We as a nation have become far too intolerant of different points of view," the statement said. "Recent events across our country clearly highlight the need for a more civil, respectful, and inclusive national conversation. Those of us in the media and in politics bear a special obligation to all Americans to find common ground.”

Former Fox News host Megyn Kelly reacted to the news on Twitter, saying, "This has to stop."
eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/08/mob-tucker-carlsons-home-antifa-break-door-chant-fox-host/1927868002/

It's just a Fascist mob trying to disrupt free speech.
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Antifa go about smashing things up and hurting people simply because they see those things are in opposition to their preferences, that's fascism right there. They don;t do any good, nothing positive, they just disrupt and destroy, they make people who are against neonazism or white supremacy look worse than the actual neonazis or white supremacists.

If they were interested in Social equality they'd do something positive such as use their own time to create some valuable public service at no financial cost to others, instead of being degenerate intolerant tools of riotous thuggery.

This should be common sense by now.

Just to clarify, so what is the point of this thread?
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It's not unusual for the State Police Force to be involved in demos by the left or right. They are agent provocateurs.

G20 police 'used undercover men to incite crowds'


MP demands inquiry into Met tactics at demo

"An MP who was involved in last month's G20 protests in London is to call for an investigation into whether the police used agents provocateurs to incite the crowds.

Liberal Democrat Tom Brake says he saw what he believed to be two plain-clothes police officers go through a police cordon after presenting their ID cards.

Brake, who along with hundreds of others was corralled behind police lines near Bank tube station in the City of London on the day of the protests, says he was informed by people in the crowd that the men had been seen to throw bottles at the police and had encouraged others to do the same shortly before they passed through the cordon.

Brake, a member of the influential home affairs select committee, will raise the allegations when he gives evidence before parliament's joint committee on human rights on Tuesday.

"When I was in the middle of the crowd, two people came over to me and said, 'There are people over there who we believe are policemen and who have been encouraging the crowd to throw things at the police,'" Brake said. But when the crowd became suspicious of the men and accused them of being police officers, the pair approached the police line and passed through after showing some form of identification.

Brake has produced a draft report of his experiences for the human rights committee, having received written statements from people in the crowd. These include Tony Amos, a photographer who was standing with protesters in the Royal Exchange between 5pm and 6pm. "He [one of the alleged officers] was egging protesters on. It was very noticeable," Amos said. "Then suddenly a protester seemed to identify him as a policeman and turned on him. He ­legged it towards the police line, flashed some ID and they just let him through, no questions asked."

Amos added: "He was pretty much inciting the crowd. He could not be called an observer. I don't believe in conspiracy theories but this really struck me. Hopefully, a review of video evidence will clear this up."

The Independent Police Complaints Commission has received 256 complaints relating to the G20 protests. Of these, 121 have been made about the use of force by police officers, while 75 relate to police tactics. The IPCC said it had no record of complaints involving the use of police agents provocateurs. A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: "We would never deploy officers in this way or condone such behaviour."

The use of plain-clothes officers in crowd situations is considered a vital tactic for gathering evidence. It has been used effectively to combat football hooliganism in the UK and was employed during the May Day protests in 2001.

Brake said he intends to raise the allegations with the Met's commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, when he next appears before the home affairs select committee. "There is a logic having plain-clothes officers in the crowd, but no logic if the officers are actively encouraging violence, which would be a source of great concern," Brake said.

The MP said that given only a few people were allowed out of the corralled crowd for the five hours he was held inside it, there should be no problem in investigating the allegation by examining video footage."

Police work for the State/Crown not for citizens.

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That is as stupid as saying, "white supremacists use violence, therefore everyone who uses violence is a white supremacist"

That's a strawman argument son.

Fascism is recognised as a group of people being intolerant of any view but their own, and they use violence and fear tactics to oppress other ideas to their own.

Communism in the Stalin, Lenin et al concept was based on terror, violence, and fear, and of course like Italian fascism and NSDAP Germany, big big government.

Deny it all you please. coggy dissy is amusing to observe :ownd:

its not a strawman at all. Using violence and being "intolerant" doesn't in itself make you a fascist. I asked you a question. If I am intolerant to a pedophile and I use violence against them, Does that make me a fascist ? I would say the answer is no. Am I violent ? Yes. Am I intolerant ? To pedophilia yes. Am I a fascist ? No.

Also there is a difference between "big government" that focuses money and resources towards private industry (Fascism) and "big government" that focuses money towards public interests (Socialism) Of course there is all manner of variations between the 2.

Like people earlier were misinterpreting CAPITALISM, and wrongly defining it as "free markets" you also seem to be wrongly defining FASCISM.

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[fash-iz-uh m]
( sometimes initial capital letter ) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

Lets break it down.

1) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power - Show me the dictator that Antifa are calling for. As far as I know most of them are ANARCHISTS who do not like government. FAIL.

2) forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism - you can make the argument that they are "suppressing opposition" but they certainly aren't suppressing criticism, because they aren't in a position to suppress criticism, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT IN POWER. They are criticized at will by mass media, and there is no serious attempt to silence it. Also their "suppressing opposition" is also a very weak argument, again because THEY DO NOT WIELD ANY POWER. Actual suppressing opposition and criticism would see your opposition and criticism DISSAPEAR, or go underground because you would be using Secret police, intelligence services, imprisonment, murder etc. The power of the state apparatus. Antifa does not possess any such means. They haven't even killed one person as far as I know, something that cannot be said about the fascists and white supremacists whom they oppose. MOSTLY FAIL.

3) Regimenting all industry - Antifa do not have control of any industry. FAIL.

4) emphasizing aggresive nationalism or racism - This is what they mainly oppose. COMPLETE FAIL.

You can call Antifa stupid, ignorant, violent, provocateurs, misguided and you could make a legitimate case for any of those, but calling them fascists is just stupid and does nothing but display your complete ignorance. Makes you look stupid. The right wing propagandists who do this, know they are full of shit, but count on the stupidity of the public to fall for it.
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Anybody who believes Fascists and Communists are the same, is an idiot

The true concept of Communism has never occurred at State level, what there was with the aforementioned dictators is forced Socialism, in fact Stalin killed more people that Hitler, the nazis and Italian Fascist Party if anything we'rent quite as Fascist as Stalin, Lenin was a terrorist who was imported to Russia by the Germans near the end of WW1 to disrupt the Russian Empire. He then went on to kill or torture anyone not in agreement.

Yes I know true communism has never occured at state level, because communism is actually supposed to be STATELESS. Basically it is left wing Libertarianism or left wing Anarchism. Personally I think it is unrealistic.

Stalin did not kill more than Hitler, that is a straight up lie. Even if we play devils advocate and accept the fake numbers that Western elites have made up about Stalin "starving people to death", you are looking at no more than 12 million. Hitlers invasion of USSR alone killed over 20 million. Then of course we have 6 million in the holocaust, and how many others dead from their military adventures all accross Europe and North Africa. You are doing nothing but repeating Nazi lies. Pat yourself on the back.

Antifa go about smashing things up and hurting people simply because they see those things are in opposition to their preferences, that's fascism right there
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No it isn't, no matter how much you want it to be. Refer to broken down definitinon of fascism above. Smashing things and hurting people does not make you a fascist. There is no reference to smashing things and hurting people. That sounds more like the definitiion of a thug.
They don;t do any good, nothing positive, they just disrupt and destroy, they make people who are against neonazism or white supremacy look worse than the actual neonazis or white supremacists.

IMO they have been set up to make opposition to fascism look bad, and make the real fascists look good, so I kind of agree with you here. A few caveats however. Not all of them act violently, and it is almost certain that some of the worst actors are likely undercover police in a kind of cointelpro operation, again to discredit the opposition. These type of things have been exposed over and over again.
If they were interested in Social equality they'd do something positive such as use their own time to create some valuable public service at no financial cost to others, instead of being degenerate intolerant tools of riotous thuggery. They're fascist, black shits instead of brown shirts.

Again you are confusing using some "fascist tactics" with being a fascist. THey are not the same thing.

If a gay person is violent, and a straight person is also violent, the gay person doesn't suddenly become straight simply because they both use violence.
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The Oxymoron that is Antifa 12 Jan 2019 15:55 #18

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Antifa go about smashing things up and hurting people simply because they see those things are in opposition to their preferences, that's fascism right there. They don;t do any good, nothing positive, they just disrupt and destroy, they make people who are against neonazism or white supremacy look worse than the actual neonazis or white supremacists.

If they were interested in Social equality they'd do something positive such as use their own time to create some valuable public service at no financial cost to others, instead of being degenerate intolerant tools of riotous thuggery.

This should be common sense by now.

Just to clarify, so what is the point of this thread?

Black shirts being like brown shirts ''Communists/Anarchists'' acting like the historical agents of AH/BM.Suppressing and smashing concepts that they disagree with, and the similar notion of Big Government between historic Soviet ''Communism'' and that of the 3rd Empire of 'Germany' and Italian fascism.

Or to try and further condense the premise into a nutshell - causing social upheaval and frightening people, for the want of a big Government to act out on behalf of the desires of your will, is fascist.It's the very behaviour that Hitlers, Mussolini's, Stalin's, Lenin's, goons had been inflicting on people in Europe for many a year. It's fascism.

Having a counter protest is one thing but when they start smashing up society because it doesn't fit with their ideology it's fascism, and when they started causing civil unrest during Trumps inauguration was also a form of fascism, it's a small group attempting to oppress what they consider to be outside of their will. They're hoping to change the government and forms of power in society to carry out their duties on behalf of the wished of Antifa, which again is a desire for a fascist centralised control system.

It makes no difference if fascism comes from the left or the right, it's all the same at the end of the day, which is being forceful and oppressive, to inflict or attempt to inflict your preferences onto the entire society.

If I start a group called the anti-nazis and then go about hunting down what I consider being nazis, attacking them, discriminating against them, wanting them purged, then is my group really anti-nazi....yes it will seem like I don;t like nazis for creating such a group, but who am I acting like?

The thread is about all those things and probably more.
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Antifa protesters chant outside Fox's Tucker Carlson's home, break door

A group of angry Antifa protestors gathered outside of Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson's home on Wednesday evening.

The anti-fascists group, possibly associated with Smash Racism D.C., chanted "Tucker Carlson, we will fight. We know where you sleep at night" outside of Carlson's Washington home, according to Fox News. In a video posted online, the group can also be heard saying, "Racist scumbag, leave town!"

Carlson's wife, Susie, was home alone at the time. He told Fox she locked herself into a pantry and called police.

The host of "Tucker Carlson Tonight" said the group broke his oak door and one person mentioned a pipe bomb, as heard on a security video.

“Here’s the problem, I have four children,” he told Fox. “I never thought twice about leaving them home alone, but this is the reaction because this group doesn’t like my TV show.”

Smash Racism D.C., posted Carlson's family address on Twitter in a now-deleted post, The Daily Caller reports. Carlson told Fox the home addresses of his brother and his former college roommate, Neil Patel, who co-founded "The Daily Caller" with him, were also made public.

The group's Twitter account was suspended as of Thursday morning.

Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott and the network's president, Jay Wallace, issued a joint statement calling the incident "reprehensible" and "unacceptable."

"We as a nation have become far too intolerant of different points of view," the statement said. "Recent events across our country clearly highlight the need for a more civil, respectful, and inclusive national conversation. Those of us in the media and in politics bear a special obligation to all Americans to find common ground.”

Former Fox News host Megyn Kelly reacted to the news on Twitter, saying, "This has to stop."
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It's just a Fascist mob trying to disrupt free speech.

you cannot "disrupt free speech" if you are not a GOVERNMENT with GOVERNMENT POWERS.

what they are doing in reality is EXPRESSING THEIR OWN FREE SPEECH. They are opposing certain views, with their own views. That's free speech.

You have the right to say whatever you want, but you dont have the right to have whatever you say PROTECTED from criticism. That seems to be what right wing snowflakes want. They want a safe space to make their false claims and have NOBODY counter them. They are actually the ones opposing free speech
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Then of course we have 6 million in the holocaust

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