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Heaven 23 Oct 2019 07:17 #41

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I'm not trying to out debate you Ugh, I'm simply pointing out that one moment you say that nobody knows what heaven is like, and the next moment you're posting what heaven is like, it's as if you're having a debate with yourself about it... :dunno:

Not dissimilar to your claim that the body fat from emaciated corpses could fuel a pyre.
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Heaven 23 Oct 2019 09:03 #42

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I'm not trying to out debate you Ugh, I'm simply pointing out that one moment you say that nobody knows what heaven is like, and the next moment you're posting what heaven is like, it's as if you're having a debate with yourself about it... :dunno:

Not dissimilar to your claim that the body fat from emaciated corpses could fuel a pyre.

That's got nothing to do with this topic but as I said at the time of your confusion those bodies would be mixed in with unemaciated bodies.
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Heaven 23 Oct 2019 11:17 #43

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Heaven 23 Oct 2019 14:35 #44

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Frothy wrote:
I'm not trying to out debate you Ugh, I'm simply pointing out that one moment you say that nobody knows what heaven is like, and the next moment you're posting what heaven is like, it's as if you're having a debate with yourself about it... :dunno:

I hope you're not a Jehovah's Witness mate because they claim to know what heaven is like, they think heaven will simply be this earth and that 144,000 of them will be in charge ruling over the rest of us poor slobs, what utter shite..:)
Fact is, NOBODY knows what or where heaven is, as Jesus said-
"No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven - me" (John 3:13)

However he told the chap on the cross next to him that it's a nice place-
"Today you'll be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:41)

And it wouldn't be paradise if it was full of a ragbag assortment of Jesus-rejecters would it, so what more do you need to know, maybe you'd like to send out a probe to try to find it?-

STARGATE-THE MOVIE
SHORE -"The thing has locked itself onto a point somewhere in the Kaliam galaxy."
DANIEL- "Where are we on that map?"
[Daniel moves to the far end of the star chart, then follows to where the trajectory guide is now sitting.]
CATHERINE- "That's right, Jackson. It's on the other side of the known universe"




PS- When Christians die, they say to their Christian mates- "See you later", but when Jesus-rejecters die they say to their nonchristian mates "Goodbye"
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Heaven 23 Oct 2019 20:17 #45

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One moment you said that nobody knows what heaven is like, and another moment shortly after you stated something about what heaven is like.

Can you please clarify do you 'know' what heaven is like yes to no?

No more long talk bs :) thanks
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Heaven 23 Oct 2019 20:41 #46

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I've tried to help you kickstart your spiritual development as best I can Frothy mate, but sadly you're flatlining..:)

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Heaven 24 Oct 2019 20:12 #47

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Heaven is a scam!

Heaven is like Materialism, in that, your life on earth is finalized at body death. They both are finite philosophies that do not take into account the infinite.

It's amazing to me that when it comes to denying the spiritual existance of Man, there is little difference between Materialism and Heaven. Materialism flat out tells you, you die (cease to exist) at body death, while religion confounds and confuses your idea of your own spirituality.

You need to wake up and understand, there is an ongoing conspiracy to deny you, your spiritual existance. It comes in many forms, but the end product is the same, to keep you from knowing who and what you really are.
Birth is not a beginning; death is not an end. There is existence without limitation; there is continuity without a starting point.” ~ Chuang Tzu
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peacenik wrote:
..there is an ongoing conspiracy to deny you, your spiritual existance. It comes in many forms, but the end product is the same, to keep you from knowing who and what you really are.

When our body dies, the soul flies to that big party in the sky..:)
That seems simple enough to understand, or am I missing something?
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Heaven 25 Oct 2019 10:04 #49

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Ugh wrote:
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..there is an ongoing conspiracy to deny you, your spiritual existance. It comes in many forms, but the end product is the same, to keep you from knowing who and what you really are.

When our body dies, the soul flies to that big party in the sky..:)
That seems simple enough to understand, or am I missing something?

You can't describe what that big party in the sky is, so how do you know you'll like it?

Isn't this meant to be the easy part when you describe your goal in detail?.....it seems a lot more like you simply think it's going to be fun, do you think it's gong to be like a theme park for crispy old bastards who like playing with their tin soldiers and tonka toys.....

...you're aiming for a goal but you have no idea what that goal is like, so you're aimlessly aiming at......a place where there are no gays and trannies etc.....in the hope that that's what you'll discover.
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Lux Interior wrote:
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Your heaven will be full of paki rape gangs, you'll be running around in a heavenly militia led by 'Tommy Robinson' but you'll run like fuck when they come riding over the sand dunes on camels and waving their curly swords in the air.
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Frothy wrote:
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Your heaven will be full of paki rape gangs, you'll be running around in a heavenly militia led by 'Tommy Robinson' but you'll run like fuck when they come riding over the sand dunes on camels and waving their curly swords in the air.

In your dreams rent boy, in your dreams.

PS: Pakistan doesn't have sand dunes or camels, would you like me to draw you a map?
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Heaven 25 Oct 2019 13:50 #52

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Lux Interior wrote:
Frothy wrote:
Lux Interior wrote:
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Your heaven will be full of paki rape gangs, you'll be running around in a heavenly militia led by 'Tommy Robinson' but you'll run like fuck when they come riding over the sand dunes on camels and waving their curly swords in the air.

In your dreams rent boy, in your dreams.

PS: Pakistan doesn't have sand dunes or camels, would you like me to draw you a map?

I'm not on about Pakistan, these Pakis are in heaven, they have sand dunes there.
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Frothy wrote:
You can't describe what that big party in the sky is, so how do you know you'll like it?..

Sounds okay to me..:)
Jesus said- "The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son, he told his servants to go out and invite to the banquet anyone you find" (Matt 22:2)

The old world with all its grief will be gone and won't matter any more-
"God shall wipe away every tear, there shall be no more death or pain or sorrow or crying" (Revelation 21:4/5)

but if you or anybody else don't wanna come, you don't have to..:)


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Heaven 25 Oct 2019 19:24 #54

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There you go again Ugh with videos and long talk.
Please explain concisely what heaven is like.....no more faff thanks.. :)
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Why, oh why, would God in his infinite wisdom, place Man on earth for a single lifetime, then cart him off to 'heaven' at body death?

The whole thing defies common sense, and logic, not to mention, science.

During your lifetime, you have helped create this world. You have had a part in shaping the world. It's only logical and natural you should reap what you've sowed on this world.

What would be the point in even being here if not to learn from your thoughts and actions in this world?

You invent a 'jesus' to be responsible for your actions rather than assuming responsibility for your own actions. Foolishly, you think you've dodged- the- bullet of you're on actions by making 'jesus' responsible for your condition.

When you die a body death, you will be the one who judges you, and a harsher judge has never existed. You can bullshit the laws of Man, but you will never, ever, lie to yourself.

If there is a heaven or a hell, you helped to create it.
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I appreciate your comments as usual, insightful, peacenik.
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Heaven 25 Oct 2019 21:09 #57

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Why, oh why, would God in his infinite wisdom, place Man on earth for a single lifetime, then cart him off to 'heaven' at body death?

You and your buddies had to shape up in basic training before being sent to Nam, and the same thing applies to get through the pearlies, we all have to pass the "Planet Earth Assault Course"..:)-
"All creation groans in pain from the beginning til now" (Romans 8:22)

And it sorts the men from the boys:-
"We must go through many hardships to enter the kingdom of God" (Acts 14:22)

Jesus welcomes anybody into his squad:-
"Whoever comes to me I'll never turn away" (John 6:37)

And he'll lead by example:-
"To follow me you must carry your own cross daily" (Luke 9:23)

The C.O. shows no favouritism:-
"God didn't spare his own son" (Romans 8:32)

So if he can hack it so can we:-
"We share in Jesus's sufferings in order to share in his glory" (Romans 8:17)

And others have stayed the course too:-
"I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith" (2 Tim 4:7)

Then if we qualify we win the "Gold Beret":-
"Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life.." (James 1:12)

How about it sarge?


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Heaven 26 Oct 2019 01:01 #58

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Sometimes it's subtle, sometimes it's overt, but always the goal is to deny you your spiritual freedom.

You cannot be controlled when you are spiritually free. Evil knows this. That's why it tries so hard to abolish your spirituality.

You can't have slaves if they are free.Common sense, right?

The 'heaven' folk want you to believe you go to heaven when you die and there you remain with God and jesus for eternity.

'eternity' is the same as immortality.

So, the 'heaven' folk are essentually telling you, you become immortal after you die, and not before.

That's an impossibility.

'immortal' means, 'without a beginning'.

You see the subtleties?

They have to alter the very meaning of the word, 'immortal', just to confuse and confound your idea of your spiritual existance.

Birth is not a beginning; death is not an end. There is existence without limitation; there is continuity without a starting point.” ~ Chuang Tzu
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peacenik wrote:
..The 'heaven' folk want you to believe you go to heaven when you die and there you remain with God and jesus for eternity.

Well that's what Jesus said, so why shouldn't we believe him?
It makes sense to me, he said heaven is for people who like him as a pal, and no way will anybody else get in.
So heaven is like a big gated community in the sky full of nice decent people, sounds good to me..:)

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Ugh doesn't know what heaven is like.
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