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TOPIC: The Case For Pre-Existence

The Case For Pre-Existence 23 Apr 2020 21:05 #1

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The Case For Pre-Existence

“Pre-existence, preexistence, beforelife, or premortal existence refers to the belief that each individual human soul existed before mortal conception, and at some point before birth enters or is placed into the body. Concepts of pre-existence can encompass either the belief that the soul came into existence at some time prior to conception or the belief that the soul is eternal.”……..

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-existence

Pre-Existence say’s, you existed before your current life?

Pre-Existence, would include such things, as, ‘past lives’, ‘rebirth’, ‘afterlife’, ‘trans- migration of the soul’ ‘reincarnation ‘, and more.

Basically Pre-Existence was any language which described you as the soul and the soul as being immortal, and the action of the soul incarnating into the physical (as in physical bodies).

To put it bluntly, the belief in Pre-Existance is the same as believing in your own immortality. Take a look at it……if you believe you have lived before this life (Pre-Existance), then you’re going to have to believe you live after this life to, and you are going to have to believe you have been alive forever. That’s what immortality means, “without beginning and without end”.

This is powerful stuff. Just the contemplation of Pre-Existance tends to awaken one. Or, at the very least, it prompts one to question religious authority.

So, if you have lived before, why can’t you remember it? Every time you incarnate into a body there is a forgetting process that takes place which is natural. One has to forget the old identity (body) so as to assume the new identity (body). People tend to think, just because they can’t really remember living before , there is no such thing.

There are ways of remembering living before but that is a subject for a different topic.

The belief in Pre-Existance was at one time wide spread, and there is much evidence that Pre-Existence was the original religion of Man?

It is a historical fact, early Christanity believed in Pre-Existance all the way up until 1155 AD when it was declared heresy…..

kuriakon00.tripod.com/reincarnation/fifth_council.htm

Today, you’ll not find a single Fundamentalist Christian church that believes in Pre-Existence. This is how throughly the idea has been wiped from Christianity. Tens of thousands of Christians lost their lives over the subject of Pre-Existence. Indeed, one Christian sect, the Cathars, were chased all over Europe and eventually slaughtered because they believed in Pre-Existence

This just goes to show you how powerful the subject of Pre-Existence is, and how much oppressive religion hates the idea of Pre-Existance.
Some will find the idea of Pre-Existence a bit fantastic. But, take a look at what science and religion have given you as explanations for the hereafter. Science says, you have no soul and there is no hereafter. You die when the body dies.

Religion, on the other hand says you go to heaven or hell after you die. So you are made to believe, you can only live forever after death. Imagine the obserbite of having to die in order to live forever The idea is ludicrous.

What Science and religion have in common is, neither can recognize an immortal being. Whether you embrace science or religion, the outcome is the same, your life is somehow finalized after body death. The outcome is the same whether you choose the science or religion, the end product is the finalization of your existence.

When it comes to denying your immortal existence, there is little difference between science or religion.

What if science and religion had gotten it all wrong? What if after your body dies you go on to incarnating into the physical like you have always done even before there was such a thing as time or space? What if incarnating into the physical, is the immortal being’s way of knowing and understanding the physical universe?

The idea may sound strange at first but, consider ancient Man incarnated into a new body when the old body became useless.

The ancient Vedic scripture claims, “Like worn out clothes the dweller in body discards old clothes and acquires new ones”.

That’s how common place the idea of incarnating into a new body was to ancient man.


Birth is not a beginning; death is not an end. There is existence without limitation; there is continuity without a starting point.” ~ Chuang Tzu
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The Case For Pre-Existence 23 Apr 2020 21:51 #2

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It's a nice concept .... but I disagree.

For me ....... we are not 'born' yet and this is the first time.

Get it 'right' ....... and then you 'live'

Get it 'wrong' ....... game over.

But that is just my opinion.
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The Case For Pre-Existence 24 Apr 2020 00:04 #3

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ink wrote:

Get it 'right' ....... and then you 'live'



"get it right" to who's standards? To who's benefit? Who determines this rightness or wrongness? Is it you who determines all this or, someone else?
Birth is not a beginning; death is not an end. There is existence without limitation; there is continuity without a starting point.” ~ Chuang Tzu
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The Case For Pre-Existence 24 Apr 2020 20:33 #4

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peacenik wrote:
ink wrote:
Get it 'right' ....... and then you 'live'
"get it right" to who's standards? To who's benefit? Who determines this rightness or wrongness? Is it you who determines all this or, someone else?

More of a 'potential' concept.

I have posted my current considerations on the subject ....

Why 'I' ....... Have Objective Reality Or Being....Currently!

But that is still limited.

Just to say that the ' Georgia Guide stones ' are not what is considered of them.
And I posted about that ....
"Jake have you considered that you may not be a human?

That humans are only a shadow of a man, not complete, and that you are a man? It is not a stretch of thought to consider that there is more than one type of bi pedal form here on this limitation called Terra!
That the Georgia Guide stones are NOT a threat to man but advice to a completely different species which resides here?
One that has no empathy and can easily destroy the habitat they live in without a thought?
Each birth here is now recorded and a blood sample taken, so as to monitor population numbers. This then could decrypt the first instruction given by the stones:
Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

You are NOT a HUman.
You are a man.
Huge difference, massive.
One is a dead being, one is living.
So we link back to the duality thread and ask "Can man exist without humans?".
No god which I have ever read of created humans, but god did create man! What does 'HU' mean?
From our laughable friend at wiki:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_(mythology)

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Hu (?w), in ancient Egypt, was the deification of the first word, the word of creation, that Atum was said to have exclaimed upon ejaculating or, alternatively, his self-castration, in his masturbatory act of creating the Ennead.

In the Middle Kingdom, all gods participated in Hu and Sia, and were associated with Ptah who created the universe by uttering the word of creation. Hu was depicted in human shape, as a falcon, or as a man with a ram's head.

Oh yes, HUmans consider that they are gods not an idiopathic diseased arse wipe!! LOL

I would ask you to consider how you dream and how you 'picture' memories?
Ask your friends?
Its an interesting experiment!"

There are no predefined 'standards' ....... just what you do.
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The Case For Pre-Existence 25 Apr 2020 22:11 #5

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I believe there is an on going conspiracy to hide the truth about the soul of Man? Sometimes overtly, sometimes covertly, but always is the intention of diverting attention away from the idea that there is a spiritual side of Man.

The declaration of heresy for any mention of Pre-Existence after the Second Council of Constantinople in 553, is but one example of the effort to deny the soul of Man. There are many other examples.

How about the "holy" bible as an example? We've been told, the Bible is the go to source for any discussion of the hereafter?

But is it?

I've been unable to find any reference in the Bible that even acknowledges the existence of Man's spirituality. Could it be that the Bible itself is complicit in keeping Man ignorant of his spiritual existence?
Birth is not a beginning; death is not an end. There is existence without limitation; there is continuity without a starting point.” ~ Chuang Tzu
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The Case For Pre-Existence 30 Apr 2020 22:22 #6

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If you cannot find God in your immediate environment, why even bother trying to find God in some, "heaven"?

Religion talks a lot about the word, "God "in the past tense. E.g., "God created the earth",.... "and God said", ...."God made...". All are past tense uses of the word "God". It's as if God is to be fond only in the past? It's as if God made something or said something and then disappeared. or went somewhere else?

Occasionally, religion will use the word,"God" in future tense. But rarely will they talk about God in the present tense. They are so consumed with what God did or said (past tense), they never stop to realize that God is just as much here in present time as he was in the past.

I believe this is all part of a subtle conspiracy to put God away from you, to put God, "over there" instead of right here, right now, right here in present time?

You see, when you go around saying stuff like, "God created...." or "God said.....", not only are you talking in the past tense, but you are limiting God, which is supposed to be limitless.

Such is the hypocrisy of religion.

Birth is not a beginning; death is not an end. There is existence without limitation; there is continuity without a starting point.” ~ Chuang Tzu
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