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Ancient humans 'rampantly interbred' with Neanderthals and a mystery species.... 20 Nov 2013 09:22 #1

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Ancient humans 'rampantly interbred' with Neanderthals and a mystery species in 'Lord of the Rings' style world of different creatures
Genome analysis of Neanderthal and human-like group called Denisovans
It reveals ancient bedfellows may have included 'mystery human ancestor'
Has been likened to 'Lord of the Rings' world of creatures which interbred

Ancient humans rampantly indulged in interspecies sex in a 'Lord of the Rings' type world of different human groups, new DNA analysis has revealed.
And our ancient bedfellows appear to have included a 'mystery human ancestor' which has not yet been identified.
Genome analysis from a Neanderthal and another group of ancient humans, the Denisovans, was presented to a meeting of the Royal Society in London, and it included 'snippets' of the mystery DNA - neither human nor Neanderthal.
It suggests that interbreeding was rampant and more widespread between the human-like groups living in Europe and Asia more than 30,000 years ago than previously thought, scientists say.


Researchers compared DNA from Neanderthals (skull, pictured) and another group of ancient humans called Denisovans

The different groups have been likened to a 'Lord of the Rings' type world of different creature populations.
The findings come from fresh analysis of DNA from a Denisovan, a hominin discovered after the finding of bone and teeth remains in a Siberian cave, and published in Nature.
The new study of the genomes was carried out by David Reich of Harvard Medical School.
He said: 'Denisovans appear more distinct from modern humans than Neanderthals.
He added: 'Denisovans harbour ancestry from an unknown archaic population, unrelated to Neanderthals', New Scientist reports.

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Ancient humans 'rampantly interbred' with Neanderthals and a mystery species.... 20 Nov 2013 11:22 #2

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Yes, and as such the stories of the east west migration into Europe starts to look very shaky. Also we have to start seriously looking at evidence again without the academic presumptions that have coloured the evidence. The presumed ignorance of our ancient ancestors also has to go out the window.
What you see in this report is a desperate attempt to hold to the Academic dogma that these ancient races are separate species, However if they are interbreeding and have a common ancestor they cannot be by definition separate species, but are races of the same species.
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Ancient humans 'rampantly interbred' with Neanderthals and a mystery species.... 20 Nov 2013 15:00 #3

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"Genome analysis from a Neanderthal and another group of ancient humans, the Denisovans, was presented to a meeting of the Royal Society in London, and it included 'snippets' of the mystery DNA - neither human nor Neanderthal."

"Included 'snippets' of the mystery DNA - neither human nor Neanderthal".......I like the sound of that. :yup:
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Ancient humans 'rampantly interbred' with Neanderthals and a mystery species.... 20 Nov 2013 21:01 #4

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Yes, and as such the stories of the east west migration into Europe starts to look very shaky. Also we have to start seriously looking at evidence again without the academic presumptions that have coloured the evidence. The presumed ignorance of our ancient ancestors also has to go out the window.
What you see in this report is a desperate attempt to hold to the Academic dogma that these ancient races are separate species, However if they are interbreeding and have a common ancestor they cannot be by definition separate species, but are races of the same species.

Agreed....esp bolded bit.
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Ancient humans 'rampantly interbred' with Neanderthals and a mystery species.... 20 Nov 2013 22:10 #5

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There are videos that were shown on the BBC, showing dark haired Neanderthals being replaced by light skinned blonds from Africa.
Commonly it is held that Neanderthals were primitive because of evidence like they used weighty heavy spears, unlike the finer throwing spears that are associated with'Modern Humans'. It is also known Neanderthals lived in the forests while the other humans lived on the open grass lands. Which do you think is the richer environment? So why did 'modern humans' choose to live in environments which are harder to live in?
The heavy spear.far from being less useful is the very thing associated with Foresters. Think of little John, and Robin hood, in heraldic design foresters were always drawn with a staff, but as time moved on the stick they were drawn with was less understood and is now usually depicted as a bow.
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Ancient humans 'rampantly interbred' with Neanderthals and a mystery species.... 20 Nov 2013 22:29 #6

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Must have got bored of wanking off over saucy cave paintings.
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Ancient humans 'rampantly interbred' with Neanderthals and a mystery species.... 21 Nov 2013 00:23 #7

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so we all didnt originate from a small group of africans???

NO SHIT!! :roll:

ps chuck...love the avvy.... :D

Great to see you posting girl. :beat: xxx

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Ancient humans 'rampantly interbred' with Neanderthals and a mystery species.... 06 Dec 2013 02:15 #8

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Leg bone gives up oldest human DNA
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The discovery of DNA in a 400,000-year-old human thigh bone will open up a new frontier in the study of our ancestors.

That's the verdict cast by human evolution experts on an analysis in Nature journal of the oldest human genetic material ever sequenced.

The femur comes from the famed "Pit of Bones" site in Spain, which gave up the remains of at least 28 ancient people.

But the results are perplexing, raising more questions than answers about our increasingly complex family tree.

There is lots of information in the report and is worth the read if you are interested, but it is starting to blow apart ideas of distinct species, and making more credible Neanderthals and other modern humans being just races of the same species.
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Ancient humans 'rampantly interbred' with Neanderthals and a mystery species.... 06 Dec 2013 12:49 #9

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Yes, and as such the stories of the east west migration into Europe starts to look very shaky. Also we have to start seriously looking at evidence again without the academic presumptions that have coloured the evidence. The presumed ignorance of our ancient ancestors also has to go out the window.
What you see in this report is a desperate attempt to hold to the Academic dogma that these ancient races are separate species, However if they are interbreeding and have a common ancestor they cannot be by definition separate species, but are races of the same species.

intriguing...
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