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Protest Music 27 Dec 2013 19:45 #1

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Lots of songs I like are protest songs and I've always had an affinity for protest music.

But I do think that Adorno here makes and interesting and thought-provoking point.

What do others think?

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I wonder who they are
The men who really run this land
And I wonder why they run it
With such a thoughtless hand
What are their names
And on what streets do they live
I'd like to ride right over
This afternoon and give
Them a piece of my mind
About peace for mankind
Peace is not an awful lot to ask
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Way way ahead of his time and still going,

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Phil Ochs once explained, "A protest song is a song that's so specific that you cannot mistake it for sh*t".

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This comment says it for me......
"Groups like this sang of social consciousness and awareness. They instilled in some of us that we are ultimately responsible for each other. Until we practice what we peach, this world will always be in turmoil until it implodes on itself. There's no better way to teach it than through song. As music is a universal language".

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There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind

I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side

It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away

We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, now, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down













Hast Du etwas Zeit für mich
Dann singe ich ein Lied fuer Dich
Von 99 Luftballons
Auf ihrem Weg zum Horizont
Denkst Du vielleicht grad' an mich
Dann singe ich ein Lied fuer Dich
Von 99 Luftballons
Und dass sowas von sowas kommt

You and I in a little toy shop
Buy a bag of balloons with the money we've got.
Set them free at the break of dawn
'Til one by one, they were gone.
Back at base, bugs in the software
Flash the message, something's out there.
Floating in the summer sky.
99 red balloons go by.

99 Luftballons
Auf ihrem Weg zum Horizont
Hielt man fuer UFOs aus dem All
Darum schickte ein General
Eine Fliegerstaffel hinterher
Alarm zu geben, wenn es so war
Dabei war da am Horizont
Nur 99 Luftballons

99 red balloons.
floating in the summer sky.
Panic bells, it's red alert.
There's something here from somewhere else.
The war machine springs to life.
Opens up one eager eye.
Focusing it on the sky.
Where 99 red balloons go by.

99 Duesenjaeger
Jeder war ein grosser Krieger
Hielten sich fuer Captain Kirk
Das gab ein grosses Feuerwerk
Die Nachbarn haben nichts gerafft
Und fuehlten sich gleich angemacht
Dabei schoss man am Horizont
Auf 99 Luftballons

99 Decision Street.
99 ministers meet.
To worry, worry, super-scurry.
Call the troops out in a hurry.
This is what we've waited for.
This is it boys, this is war.
The president is on the line
As 99 red balloons go by.

99 Kriegsminister
Streichholz und Benzinkanister
Hielten sich fuer schlaue Leute
Witterten schon fette Beute
Riefen: Krieg und wollten Macht
Mann, wer haette das gedacht
Dass es einmal soweit kommt
Wegen 99 Luftballons

99 Knights of the air
Ride super-high-tech jet fighters
Everyone's a superhero.
Everyone's a Captain Kirk.
With orders to identify.
To clarify and classify.
Scramble in the summer sky.
As 99 red balloons go by.

99 Jahre Krieg
Liessen keinen Platz fuer Sieger
Kriegsminister gibt es nicht mehr
Und auch keine Duesenflieger
Heute zieh ich meine Runden
Seh die Welt in Truemmern liegen
Hab' nen Luftballon gefunden
Denk' an Dich und lass' ihn fliegen

99 dreams I have had.
In every one a red balloon.
It's all over and I'm standing pretty.
In this dust that was a city.
If I could find a souvenir.
Just to prove the world was here.
And here is a red balloon
I think of you and let it go.







Up there, up there, up there on the platform
He is speaking to the people
The people are responding
With clapping and a cheering

But the meaning of the message
Not revealed to those assembled
They're taken for a ride
Taken in his stride

When the Generals talk
You better listen to him
When the Generals talk
You better do what he say

When the Generals talk
You better listen to him
When the Generals talk
You better do what he say

There's a rumour in the ranking
Someone's talking insurrection
General has a purge
He wants to win election

With the certain satisfaction
That the people are appeased
Long live the revolution
The General's very pleased

When the Generals talk
You better listen to him
When the Generals talk
You better do what he say

When the Generals talk
You better listen to him
When the Generals talk
You better do what he say

Sitting on the fence both ears to the ground
The fat cats still push the thin cats around
Sitting on the fence both ears to the ground
The fat cats still push the thin cats around
Sitting on the fence both ears to the ground
The fat cats still push the thin cats

Introducing the new, introducing the new
Introducing the new, introducing the new
Australians strivin' for privacy and philosophy
As long as you're gonna fit no one
Who satisfy the people who got the most money
You stay in the goverrnment

Well we don't like those kind of governments in Australia
Those governments that don't care about
Young Australians
Those governments that don't care about
Nuclear weapons
Those governments that don't care about
The resources and the environment
Those governments that don't care about
Anything else other than their exclusive cynical chase for power

When the Generals talk
You better listen to him
When the Generals talk
You better do what he say

When the Generals talk
You better listen to him
When the Generals talk
You better do what he say

When the Generals talk
You better listen to him
When the Generals talk
You better do what he say

When the Generals talk
When the Generals talk
When the Generals talk
You better listen to him






US Forces gives the nod
It's a setback for your country
Bombs and trenches all in rows
Bombs and threats still ask for more

Divided world the CIA
Say who control the issue
You leave us with no time to talk
You can write your own assessment

Sing me songs of no denying
Seems to me too many trying
Waiting for the next big thing

Will you know it when you see it
High risk children dogs of war
Now market movements call the shots
Business deals in parking lots
Waiting for the meat of tomorrow

Sing me songs of no denying
Seems to me too many trying
Waiting for the next big thing

Everyone is too stoned to start emission
People too scared to go to prison
We're unable to make decisions
Political party line don't cross that floor
L. Ron Hubbard can't save your life
Super boy takes a plutonium wife
In the shadow of ban the bomb we live

Sing me songs of no denying
Seems to me too many trying
Waiting for the next big thing

Sing me songs of no denying
Seems to me too many trying
Waiting for the next big thing

Sing me songs of no denying
Seems to me too many trying
Waiting for the next big
We can wait no longer, wait no longer, wait no longer

We're waiting
We're waiting
We're waiting







Killing in the name of!
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Huh!

Killing in the name of!
Killing in the name of

And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
But now you do what they told ya
Well now you do what they told ya

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're your chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're your chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're your chosen whites
You justify those who died by wearing the badge, they're your chosen whites

Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Uggh!

Killing in the name of!
Killing in the name of

And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya!

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Come on!

Yeah! Come on!

F*** you, I won't do what you tell me
F*** you, I won't do what you tell me
F*** you, I won't do what you tell me
F*** you, I won't do what you tell me
F*** you, I won't do what you tell me
F*** you, I won't do what you tell me
F*** you, I won't do what you tell me
F*** you, I won't do what you tell me
F*** you, I won't do what you tell me!
F*** you, I won't do what you tell me!
F*** you, I won't do what you tell me!
F*** you, I won't do what you tell me!
F*** you, I won't do what you tell me!
F*** you, I won't do what you tell me!
F*** you, I won't do what you tell me!
F*** you, I won't do what you tell me!
Motherf***er!
Uggh!







The eastern world, it is exploding
Violence flarin', bullets loadin'
You're old enough to kill, but not for votin'
You don't believe in war, but what's that gun you're totin'
And even the Jordan River has bodies floatin'

But you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don't believe
We're on the eve
of destruction.

Don't you understand what I'm tryin' to say
Can't you feel the fears I'm feelin' today?
If the button is pushed, there's no runnin' away
There'll be no one to save, with the world in a grave
[Take a look around ya boy, it's bound to scare ya boy]

And you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don't believe
We're on the eve
of destruction.

Yeah, my blood's so mad feels like coagulatin'
I'm sitting here just contemplatin'
I can't twist the truth, it knows no regulation.
Handful of senators don't pass legislation
And marches alone can't bring integration
When human respect is disintegratin'
This whole crazy world is just too frustratin'

And you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don't believe
We're on the eve
of destruction.

Think of all the hate there is in Red China
Then take a look around to Selma, Alabama
You may leave here for 4 days in space
But when you return, it's the same old place
The poundin' of the drums, the pride and disgrace
You can bury your dead, but don't leave a trace
Hate your next-door neighbor, but don't forget to say grace
And… tell me over and over and over and over again, my friend
You don't believe
We're on the eve
Of destruction
Mm, no no, you don't believe
We're on the eve
of destruction.
You cannot reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into.

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Protest Music 28 Dec 2013 03:46 #9

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Chuck Random wrote:
Lots of songs I like are protest songs and I've always had an affinity for protest music.

But I do think that Adorno here makes and interesting and thought-provoking point.

What do others think?


G'day Chuck Random.

I think he is barking up the wrong tree to label all Vietnam protest songs as he does. For a start it is subjective, he finds them "unbearable". Secondly, it is a sweeping generalisation. Thirdly ...



Mum and Dad and Denny saw the passing-out parade at Puckapunyal
It was a long march from cadets.
The sixth battalion was the next to tour, and it was me who drew the card.
We did Canungra, Shoalwater before we left.

And Townsville lined the footpaths as we marched down to the quay
This clipping from the paper shows us young and strong and clean.
And there's me in me slouch hat with me SLR and greens.
GGod help me, I was only nineteen.

From Vung Tau, riding Chinooks, to the dust at Nui Dat
'd been in and out of choppers now for months.
But we made our tents a home, VB and pinups on the lockers
And an Asian Orange sunset through the scrub.

And can you tell me, doctor, why I stil can't get to sleep?
And night-time's just a jungle dark and a barking M16?
And what's this rash that comes and goes, can you tell me what it means?
God help me, I was only ninteen.

A four week operation when each step could mean your last one on two legs It
was a war within yourself.
But you wouldn't let your mates down til they had you dusted off
So you closed your eyes and thought about something else.

Then someone yelled out "Contact!" and the bloke behind me swore
We hooked in there for hours, then a Godalmighty roar
Frankie kicked a mine the day that mankind kicked the moon,
God help me, he was going home in June.

I can still see Frankie, drinking tinnies in the Grand Hotel On a thirty-six hour rec leave in Vung Tau
And I can still hear Frankie, lying screaming in the jungle
Til the morphine came and killed the bloody row.

And the Anzac legends didn't mention mud and blood and tears
And the stories that my father told me never seemed quite real.
I caught some pieces in my back that I didn't even feel
God help me, I was only nineteen.

And can you tell me, doctor, why I still can't get to sleep?
And why the Channel Seven chopper chills me to my feet?
And what's this rash that comes and goes, can you tell me what it means?
God help me, I was only nineteen.
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Protest Music 28 Dec 2013 09:16 #10

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Chuck Random wrote:
Lots of songs I like are protest songs and I've always had an affinity for protest music.

But I do think that Adorno here makes and interesting and thought-provoking point.

What do others think?


G'day Chuck Random.

I think he is barking up the wrong tree to label all Vietnam protest songs as he does. For a start it is subjective, he finds them "unbearable". Secondly, it is a sweeping generalisation. Thirdly ...

I don't think it's about his subjective taste in music. I think he's arguing that what makes in unbearable is that it makes a consumer commodity out of war people listen to for their personal satisfaction. He sees it as producing a form of entertainment out of something so horrific.

I think this



Is a little different as it's a 17th century song that was created outside a commercial infrastructure and was not originally created for public entertainment. Today it tells a story from history. This feeds into where I somewhat disagree with Adorno; protest music tells a story of something that may be part of spreading ideas or creating a kind of oral history. I think songs that tell stories (whether about protest or not) are better than songs that are just whoa baby I wanna get into your knickers oh yeah .

But I think he draws out an interesting point about how capitalism appropriates people's moral objections and transforms them into a commodity for purchase. A record company will mass produce a commodity talking about the horror of war and invite consumers to purchase it for their listening pleasure. Death and destruction becomes the subject of public entertainment. I think this invites consideration of a paradox inherent in the desire to express often genuine moral indignation and raise awareness being simultaneously appropriated to become a commodity that is ultimately another product for consumption. In effect, making money out of war and reducing war to a consumer product. I think it suggests an uneasy relationship between moral sincerity and crass consumption.
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Gratitude to chuck random for starting this fantastic thread topic and for a brilliant exposition in post 10. :)

This is one of those rare occasions where I am able to shake off my long simmering and lingering resentment towards 'mainstream' academicians (if Adorno was ever a part of such). I suppose listening to broad brush total dismissals time and time again from the likes of David Icke and Jordan Maxwell, along with my own experiences within the preposterously dysfunctional academic system has left me unable to take any aspect of it seriously anymore.

I am no longer fond of working incrementally within the major paradigms, such as marxism, although I suppose the frankfurt school made what could be considered significant headway in reforming a moribund dogmatic marxism and allowing it to breathe and expand a bit.

Nonetheless, I still feel Adorno is still stuck within an oddly fundamentalist materialist marxist straitjacket when he speaks. It seems he is reducing superstructure to base all over again: this type of unimaginative, rote reductionism is both intellectually repetitive and practically unproductive.

tl, dr: If everything within global capitalism is reduced to a commodity, either intentionally or unintentionally, then we can never break free of the system, despite our sincerest efforts. I have to reject this proposition for a million and one reasons, the simplest being that it is fatalistic and hopeless.

Case #1: as Lauryn Hill states so simply: I Get Out

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Nonetheless, I still feel Adorno is still stuck within an oddly fundamentalist materialist marxist straitjacket when he speaks. It seems he is reducing superstructure to base all over again: this type of unimaginative, rote reductionism is both intellectually repetitive and practically unproductive.

tl, dr: If everything within global capitalism is reduced to a commodity, either intentionally or unintentionally, then we can never break free of the system, despite our sincerest efforts. I have to reject this proposition for a million and one reasons, the simplest being that it is fatalistic and hopeless.

I think that's a very interesting point.
I think there's perhaps something in recognising such critiques as offering an insight into the insidious nature of commodification while at the same time not losing sight of potential for inspiration and information sharing that may be embedded in entertainment.
I think you can look at something at more than one level at the same time. When I got into anarcho-punk as a teenager it exposed me to ideas I'd never really thought about before. I wasn't going to base my opinions on pop records, but it did inspire me to start questioning received wisdom start reading stuff by people like Noam Chomsky and John Pilger and from there to other stuff. So in my own personal experience, protest music had a direct role in introducing me to political thought that was outside the generic mainstream which transcended mere entertainment, though entertainment was certainly a big feature - we don't listen to music we don't enjoy listening to. On the other hand there is I think something disconcerting about the way opposition is appropriated and sold back to you as entertainment. I think if we are aware of this problematic nature we don't need to be as rigid as Adorno about it, but we can instead draw out that awareness as something that allows us to step back and perceive that inherent tendency.
This may be helpful because rather than disallowing breaking free of the system, we can be observant of its tendency to sell us opposition to itself as a consumer product that makes death and misery into entertainment within itself and such awareness can lead to seeing it in context. How we transcend this contradiction I'm really not sure, but I don't myself see too much of a problem with recognising the contradiction and allowing oneself to look at the same thing in two different ways.
Something fans of Icke would do well to bear in mind.

I don't think academia can be written off because it's an enormous area of tremendous variation in content and quality. Icke writes sensational populist material that more or less ignores it wholesale. This means he makes grand sweeping statements about areas where he simply ignores vast swathes of research and ideas and talks about people it's obvious he's never actually read and doesn't understand.
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Sting's fortune is estimated at £180 million, the 9th richest British musician in 2011
www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-1722112/The-50-richest-people-music.html

This is one of his houses






I think Sting is a spirit in a very material world. One where he & his mrs are the boss.

The household management style of pop star Sting and his wife Trudie Styler, known for their belief in ethical living, was today laid bare at an employment tribunal in Southampton.

Jane Martin, their chef until she became pregnant and was made redundant, told the tribunal how the couple "destroyed her world".

The employment tribunal has already established that Ms Martin was unfairly dismissed and had suffered sexual discrimination. Today's hearing was to decide the level of damages to be awarded to the chef.

Ms Martin, 41, cried as she recalled the couple's decision in 2005 to terminate her eight-year career cooking for them. She felt it was "cruel" treatment and an "unfair" redundancy. She also described her treatment at Lake House, their 300 acre estate in Wiltshire, to be so physically draining she had feared for her unborn baby. Ms Martin had previously had a miscarriage.

Ms Martin was paid £28,000 a year to manage the couple's entertainment budget - preparing impressive meals for friends of Sting and Ms Styler who include Madonna and Sir Elton John. On one occasion the chef travelled from Wiltshire to London to cook a bowl of pasta for Sting and Ms Styler's children.

The court was told Ms Styler began to register displeasure with Ms Martin shortly after the chef became pregnant. When Ms Martin took a sick day, Ms Styler is alleged to have said: "Who the fuck does she think she is? She's my chef in the UK. She needs to be available if I need her, or she should rethink her position."

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Multiple mansion multimillionaires with jumbo sized egos seek to lecture the world about poverty
Ending extreme poverty in the world seems like an impossible task. But with Bono and a little help from his friends, the end is in sight.

In anticipation of the G8 summit next week, the rocker's advocacy organization, the ONE, kicks off agit8, a week-long music campaign designed to put pressure on policymakers to take action against extreme poverty. Agit8 recruited the help of at least 50 artists, ranging from U2 and Sting to Mumford & Sons and Ed Sheeran, to release music videos of themselves doing covers of protest songs.

www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2013/06/10/mumford-sting-u2-unite-against-poverty-with-agit8-campaign-g8/2408037/

Sting and Bono want to sing a song in the hope the G8 will be nice to poor people so they can go back to their mansions feeling good about about themselves as their servant prepares them dinner.

Nice illustration of some of the absurdity protest songs may contain Dots.

Sting was one of the people who inspired this track.



Then in turn Chumbawamba similiarly 'sold out', albeit in a smarter way and did give a lot of money away. But members can be seen as having been appropriated.

This has to be one of the more interesting actions by musicians
K Foundation Burn a Million Quid was an action on 23 August 1994 in which the K Foundation (an art duo consisting of Bill Drummond and Jimmy Cauty) burned cash in the amount of one million pounds sterling in a disused boathouse on the Ardfin Estate on the Scottish island of Jura.[1] The money represented the bulk of the K Foundation's funds, earned by Drummond and Cauty as The KLF, one of the United Kingdom's most successful pop groups of the early 1990s.

The incineration was recorded on a Hi-8 video camera by K Foundation collaborator Gimpo. In August 1995, the film—Watch the K Foundation Burn a Million Quid[2]—was toured around the UK, with Drummond and Cauty engaging each audience in debate about the burning and its meaning. In November 1995, the duo pledged to dissolve the K Foundation and to refrain from public discussion of the burning for a period of 23 years, but Drummond spoke about the burning in 2000 and 2004. At first he was unrepentant[3] but in 2004 he admitted to the BBC that he regretted burning the money.[4][5]

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Sting's fortune is estimated at £180 million, the 9th richest British musician in 2011

180 million ain't shit you cant even buy the Royal Sceptre for that.... :killinme:

If anybody on Earth should be richer than others it needs to be athletes and entertainers.

Because people in society want to be entertained, simple as that.

Chuck you got it all wrong...
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Sting and Bono want to sing a song in the hope the G8 will be nice to poor people so they can go back to their mansions feeling good about about themselves as their servant prepares them dinner.

www.forbes.com/billionaires/

^I understand your way of thinking, but you got it all wrong Chuck because there are no musicians on the forbes top billionaires list.

Is this not a legit protest song just because Bono got a little bit of money now?

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Sting's fortune is estimated at £180 million, the 9th richest British musician in 2011

180 million ain't shit you cant even buy the Royal Sceptre for that.... :killinme:

If anybody on Earth should be richer than others it needs to be athletes and entertainers.

Because people in society want to be entertained, simple as that.

Chuck you got it all wrong...

If £180 million doesn't sound like a lot to you, then I reckon you be Her Majesty herself moving among her subjects anonymously online.

I think if people really think about it, they probably want their turds to vanish when they flush the toilet, their refuse to be collected and food to be on the shelves of local shops more than they want pop records or people with striking physical prowess.
Is this not a legit protest song just because Bono got a little bit of money now?

It's more a consideration of to what extent it's simply another consumer product.
But I do think there is something rather inane about millionaire rock stars giving righteous lectures as they buy up mansions and hire minions to cater for their every whim.
One thing I think we can be sure of is that irrespective of one's opinion of the music of U2, Bono is most definitely a twat
Perhaps the most well-known figure in this mould is Bono, the lead singer of U2. As well as being the frontman of one of the world’s biggest rock bands, Bono fancies himself as something of an anti-poverty activist, and can often be heard urging people to give generously to a number of causes. Bono has even been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize several times for his charity work.

In 2006, however, on the back of the massive Live 8 concert the year before – which U2 played a large part in organising and which was supposed to “make poverty history” – Bono’s band moved part of their tax liability from Ireland to the Netherlands. The move came after Ireland scrapped tax breaks that allowed musicians and artists to avoid paying taxes on royalties. When asked about the decision, U2’s lead guitarist David Evans, aka “The Edge”, said that of course the band were trying to be tax-efficient, because “who doesn’t want to be tax-efficient?”

The answer, at a guess, would be those who spend a great deal of time moralising about the world’s poor. Away from the self-congratulatory press conferences where Bono smugly demanded we send our money to the dispossessed, U2 were simultaneously cutting the feet from under their own government’s ability to help the world’s most desperate people– the same people Bono was proclaiming such grave concern for.

The hypocrisy of the super-rich is nothing new of course. What is astonishing is that they are so consistently let off the hook for it. Nobody bats an eyelid today at a campaign against homelessness featuring a politician who would sooner sell his own mother than interfere in the exploitative buy-to-let market; or a coffee chain publicising its fair trade credentials while preventing its own workers from joining a union. Both will stand on a soap box and espouse their unflinching dedication to the downtrodden – and both will be given an extraordinarily easy-ride by the media when doing so.

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Sting and Bono want to sing a song in the hope the G8 will be nice to poor people so they can go back to their mansions feeling good about about themselves as their servant prepares them dinner.

www.forbes.com/billionaires/

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Sting and Bono did not make the list Chuck you got it all wrong...
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The Ghost of Tom Joad

Men walkin' 'long the railroad tracks
Goin' someplace there's no goin' back
Highway patrol choppers comin' up over the bridge
Hot soup on a campfire under the bridge
Shelter line stretchin' 'round the corner
Welcome to the new world order
Families sleepin' in their cars in the Southwest
No home no job no peace no rest
The highway is alive tonight
But nobody's kiddin' nobody about where it goes
I'm sittin' down here in the campfire light
Searchin' for the ghost of Tom Joad

He pulls a prayer book out of his sleeping bag
Preacher lights up a butt and takes a drag
Waitin' for when the last shall be first and the first shall be last
In a cardboard box 'neath the underpass
Got a one-way ticket to the promised land
You got a hole in your belly and gun in your hand
Sleepin' on a pillow of solid rock
Bathin' in the city aqueduct

The highway is alive tonight
Where it's headed everybody knows
I'm sittin' down here in the campfire light
Waitin' on the ghost of Tom Joad

Now Tom said "Mom, wherever there's a cop beatin' a guy
Wherever a hungry newborn baby cries
Where there's a fight against the blood and hatred in the air
Look for me mom I'll be there
Wherever there's somebody fightin' for a place to stand
Or a decent job or a helpin' hand
Wherever somebody's strugglin' to be free
Look in their eyes Mom you'll see me."

Well the highway is alive tonight
But nobody's kiddin' nobody about where it goes
I'm sittin' down here in the campfire light
With the ghost of old Tom Joad
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