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TZ is a nicer place to be 22 May 2016 15:35 #1

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Is it just me that thinks there is a lot less animosity here on TZ compared to a while ago?
Kudos to the mods for sorting things out with those slaggy ghetto threads.
Hugs all round for all.
:)
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TZ is a nicer place to be 22 May 2016 15:49 #2

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Personal attacks almost completely destroyed this forum at one point by pushing so many people away.

Miserable people always want to attack others because they don't have the mental capacity to debate information.

Like Novum has always said "play the ball not the man"
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TZ is a nicer place to be 22 May 2016 15:53 #3

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.......... wrote:
Personal attacks almost completely destroyed this forum at one point by pushing so many people away.

Miserable people always want to attack others because they don't have the mental capacity to debate information.

Like Novum has always said "play the ball not the man"

Well, if someone has been explained about 100x the same thing over and over again with all the evidence at hand, but still keeps playing dumb and asking the same questions and making the same statements, then that person deserves a slap around the ears. Since that person is obviously not here to 'learn' in that case, but only to troll or shill.
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TZ is a nicer place to be 22 May 2016 15:59 #4

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Yep that's fair enough, debate is good.
Genuine Trolls tend to get bored and feck off when people stop biting and just ignore them IMO.
Slagging someone off for having a different opinion though, that's not Trolling as such.
It's just bad manners.
Lot less of that going on here recently which is good.
:)
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TZ is a nicer place to be 22 May 2016 16:01 #5

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Flare wrote:
.......... wrote:
Personal attacks almost completely destroyed this forum at one point by pushing so many people away.

Miserable people always want to attack others because they don't have the mental capacity to debate information.

Like Novum has always said "play the ball not the man"

Well, if someone has been explained about 100x the same thing over and over again with all the evidence at hand, but still keeps playing dumb and asking the same questions and making the same statements, then that person deserves a slap around the ears. Since that person is obviously not here to 'learn' in that case, but only to troll or shill.

Who cares if you have explained your views a million times.

It is your own ego,and weakness if you cannot transcend this.

Just ignore them,or respect their views


This kind of disgusting and disrespectful behaviour is condoned here

ORANGEAID verbal abuse

''Cinta is a whore.
I don't change one word I've said.''

truth-zone.net/forum/members-area/67105-open-up-the-clarity-zone-to-all-tz-members-we-need-transparency-and-not-secrecy.html?start=80#209733
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TZ is a nicer place to be 22 May 2016 16:05 #6

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Considering what happened to the dude I reckon old Socrates was downplaying it a bit with that quote.
Hemlock anyone?
:)
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TZ is a nicer place to be 22 May 2016 16:05 #7

And by exactly the same standards the same could be said about yourself, Cinta. You've hardly budged from the official line that you've peddled here for ages, regardless of the avalanche of information and compelling research that's available to the serious researcher on the webs..
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. – Marcus Aurelius
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TZ is a nicer place to be 22 May 2016 16:05 #8

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Flare wrote:
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Personal attacks almost completely destroyed this forum at one point by pushing so many people away.

Miserable people always want to attack others because they don't have the mental capacity to debate information.

Like Novum has always said "play the ball not the man"

Well, if someone has been explained about 100x the same thing over and over again with all the evidence at hand, but still keeps playing dumb and asking the same questions and making the same statements, then that person deserves a slap around the ears. Since that person is obviously not here to 'learn' in that case, but only to troll or shill.

You can explain something 100x but if you leave out key facts they don't have to agree with you.

Also two different people can see the same world event and have complete opposite opinions for the reasons behind it.

Just look how many of us here think we now exactly what happened during events that took place long before we where born.

You can easily romanticize a time when you were not alive so you lose focus on current events and don't live in the now.

But lets not go off topic. :)
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TZ is a nicer place to be 22 May 2016 16:10 #9

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That's spot on.
Romanticising is what we all do to some extent.
We might be a bit 'in love' with our preferred politics or opinions so anybody having a pop at those could be viewed as taking a pop at our personal passion.
There's better ways to talk about issues than throwing insults though.
We've all seen threads just die off topic when a couple of posters start having a pop at each other.
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TZ is a nicer place to be 22 May 2016 16:19 #10

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Cinta wrote:
Flare wrote:
.......... wrote:
Personal attacks almost completely destroyed this forum at one point by pushing so many people away.

Miserable people always want to attack others because they don't have the mental capacity to debate information.

Like Novum has always said "play the ball not the man"

Well, if someone has been explained about 100x the same thing over and over again with all the evidence at hand, but still keeps playing dumb and asking the same questions and making the same statements, then that person deserves a slap around the ears. Since that person is obviously not here to 'learn' in that case, but only to troll or shill.

Who cares if you have explained your views a million times.

It is your own ego,and weakness if you cannot transcend this.

Just ignore them,or respect their views



Well, if someone asks a question, and it is explained to him/her with the evidence/sources at hand and that person still refuses to believe it or do his own research on it and asks the same question the next day... and repeats that for 100 times, then there isn't really a 'debate' now is it?!

Then it all comes down to this:

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TZ is a nicer place to be 22 May 2016 16:20 #11

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.......... wrote:
1. Personal attacks almost completely destroyed this forum at one point by pushing so many people away.

2. Miserable people always want to attack others because they don't have the mental capacity to debate information.

3. Like Novum has always said "play the ball not the man"



1. Yes, this is true and it was also the reason why I had been away for many months then.

2. Yes, this is true, so why are you running around whining and complaining about me?

3. Yes, this is a nice commonplace, but what did Novum ever do about this? If you are not seeing to it,
as an admin, that at least a few basic rules are observed by the members, this is nothing more than a
shallow banality. Anarchy and chaos is the result and the worst swearwords are flying around on a constant
basis to provoke those who behave more civilised. This is a vicious circle if not stopped by mods/admins
which in the end pulls the whole forum down to the lowest level of human conversation.

Jmho.

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"The truth must be repeated over and over again,
because error is repeatedly preached among us, not
only by individuals, but by the masses. In periodicals
and cyclopaedias, in schools and universities; every-
where, in fact, error prevails, and is quite easy in the
feeling that it has a decided majority on its side."

~ J. W. v. Goethe

Johannes Lang "The Hollow World Theory" Blog
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TZ is a nicer place to be 22 May 2016 16:22 #12

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GMP wrote:
That's spot on.
Romanticising is what we all do to some extent.
We might be a bit 'in love' with our preferred politics or opinions so anybody having a pop at those could be viewed as taking a pop at our personal passion.
There's better ways to talk about issues than throwing insults though.
We've all seen threads just die off topic when a couple of posters start having a pop at each other.

Exactly.

Key words, "personal passion"

Look how some of us have so much passion about something they were not even alive to live through.
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TZ is a nicer place to be 22 May 2016 16:24 #13

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.......... wrote:
Flare wrote:
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Personal attacks almost completely destroyed this forum at one point by pushing so many people away.

Miserable people always want to attack others because they don't have the mental capacity to debate information.

Like Novum has always said "play the ball not the man"

Well, if someone has been explained about 100x the same thing over and over again with all the evidence at hand, but still keeps playing dumb and asking the same questions and making the same statements, then that person deserves a slap around the ears. Since that person is obviously not here to 'learn' in that case, but only to troll or shill.

You can explain something 100x but if you leave out key facts they don't have to agree with you.

Also two different people can see the same world event and have complete opposite opinions for the reasons behind it.

Just look how many of us here think we now exactly what happened during events that took place long before we where born.

You can easily romanticize a time when you were not alive so you lose focus on current events and don't live in the now.

But lets not go off topic. :)

There is only ONE Truth out there, not several.

And if 2 persons are discussing a certain matter and the first person has done thourough research on the subject, and the second just won't listen/research/look into the matter at hand and keeps on asking the same questions over and over... well, then who do you think would be correct in the debate?
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TZ is a nicer place to be 22 May 2016 16:27 #14

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Are you saying that 'shallow banality' is necessarily a bad thing Pfiz?
IMO that can oil the wheels of social intercourse.
For example, we all love cake.
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TZ is a nicer place to be 22 May 2016 16:29 #15

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@ Flares.
You could be right that there is only one TRUTH but might it not have many different interpretations?
'One mountain- many paths up it.'
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TZ is a nicer place to be 22 May 2016 16:45 #16

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PFIZIPFEI wrote:
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1. Personal attacks almost completely destroyed this forum at one point by pushing so many people away.

2. Miserable people always want to attack others because they don't have the mental capacity to debate information.

3. Like Novum has always said "play the ball not the man"



1. Yes, this is true and it was also the reason why I had been away for many months then.

2. Yes, this is true, so why are you running around whining and complaining about me?

3. Yes, this is a nice commonplace, but what did Novum ever do about this? If you are not seeing to it,
as an admin, that at least a few basic rules are observed by the members, this is nothing more than a
shallow banality. Anarchy and chaos is the result and the worst swearwords are flying around on a constant
basis to provoke those who behave more civilised. This is a vicious circle if not stopped by mods/admins
which in the end pulls the whole forum down to the lowest level of human conversation.

Jmho.

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Yep, I agree!

Novum is obviously a great guy for setting up such a unique forum like this where we can all speak our minds freely.

However, if there are no rules at all, then you see the place turn into an anarchy if the trolls just get a free-hand and try to distort/derail/bury anything the decent members are trying to get across here.

Must say it was a good decision to make Zorro mod, since the place turned for the better already. However, some guys keep going at it with posting bullshit one-liners and contributing NOTHING informative, like Rag and and I would say he just has to go as it would be better for the forum overall. I don't care if there are people around with opposing views and then it wouldn't be any good for the debate anyway.... however, it's clear as day what Rag is in for here.
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TZ is a nicer place to be 22 May 2016 16:57 #17

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GMP wrote:
@ Flares.
You could be right that there is only one TRUTH but might it not have many different interpretations?
'One mountain- many paths up it.'

Interesting point you are making here, as there certainly are different ways up a mountain.

However, what counts is that one gets to the top of the mountain and then gets a clear overview what the Truth is, then it doesn't matter which path he/she has taken.

However, like at the Mount Everest you have certain Sherpas there who help people get to the top, as they are very experienced with the mountain as they've been going up and down it for many years.

Now what we have here is some people disagreeing with the "Sherpas" and constantly going into the wrong direction, no matter how many times has been explained about the impossibilities and/or dangers of several routes.

If someone REALLY wants to get to the top/know the truth, that person must have to listen to others and do hard work (research) themselves in order to get there and must be able to put that ego aside, as there just are people around who know better than 'them' who think they know.
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TZ is a nicer place to be 22 May 2016 16:58 #18

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Zorro is doing a great job as mod.
Not so sure about Pfiz though she has just lost my Hasby Award acceptance speech off her area.
I really wanted to win that.
Pfiz is a nice lass so possibly it was just a mistake.
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TZ is a nicer place to be 22 May 2016 16:59 #19

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Flare wrote:

There is only ONE Truth out there, not several.

So when you alluded to 2pac being killed by the illuminati and i pointed out that all evidence leads to the Southside Crips killing him in a typical case of violent black tribalism in the hip hop thread which one of us was on the side of the Truth? Which goes back to what i said earlier that you can explain something 100x but if you leave out key facts they don't have to agree with you. Just like two different people can see the same world event and have complete opposite opinions for the reasons behind it. You always want look at what you believe are the reasons behind something instead of the facts and outcomes. So instead of accepting that Hitler didn't save the white race by killing millions of other white people you search for another explanation that fits your perspective. But i don't want to go off topic so we can save the Tupac talk for the Hip Hop thread and the Hitler talk for the WW2 thread.
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GMP wrote:
Zorro is doing a great job as mod.
Not so sure about Pfiz though she has just lost my Hasby Award acceptance speech off her area.
I really wanted to win that.
Pfiz is a nice lass so possibly it was just a mistake.
:)

I agree :up:
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