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Throwing In The Towel And Calling It Quits. 11 Sep 2018 11:33 #1

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Things are not looking good for my personal life here in rural middle America and I am seriously considering about retreating into the mountains 1500 miles away due west. I've been fighting to survive under this hijacked government since 2001 but I know when I've been beat where the cards are heavily stacked against me to which it is not even worth playing by the conventional rules of society anymore. All throughout the United States or the world signs are everywhere of major social political upheaval, chaos, war, and economic collapse that its inevitability is drawing closer everyday. If anything my stance and thinking is premeditated preparing for the inevitable that cannot be denied or escaped from.

If I go through with this I am just going to bunker down and wait patiently for the inevitable forgone conclusion of all this lying low under the radar. It is my firm belief that this nation is going to violently tear itself a part anyways. Better to be proactive now rather than later. I haven't made any permanent decisions on this yet but if things don't get better for me within the next week or two my hands will be forced into this. I'm looking at possible unemployment and losing everything I've worked for over the years where at some point one has to face the utter futility of living within this current society.

I've been robbed, extorted, and left destitute time, time again for seventeen years where at some point as a measure of defiance I finally have to say enough is enough.

There will obviously be some who will mock, criticize, and make fun of this thread but I think in two years from now everything I say here will be justified along with being self evident. It might not look that way now but it will eventually that I've never been more certain of. I'm willing to stake my whole entire life on that assertion and endure the risks that come with that.

I will of course continue posting on the internet actively whenever I can and that won't change.

I will update this thread when my decision making is completed.


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Throwing In The Towel And Calling It Quits. 11 Sep 2018 13:46 #2

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I think you've made the right decision.

"Things" are not going to get better, despite what the war criminal Tony Blair said in 1997.



If people can afford to do it, get back to nature, don't buy from Amazon etc, get rid of your "Smart" phone, don't engage in social media,
pay cash to local small businesses, teach your children about all of the corruption, stay fit by exercising and eating good food, turn off the TV, but most importantly LOVE YOUR NEAREST AND DEAREST WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT.
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Throwing In The Towel And Calling It Quits. 11 Sep 2018 14:02 #3

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The future of the United States is civil war, economic collapse, war, and overall chaotic collapse of society.

I don't give a shit what the corrupt political class of this country is saying concerning a great future for us all espoused from both political parties. I don't believe in any of that nonsense they speak concerning talking points. They're all liars, thieves, conspirators, and usurpers. The economy isn't going to get any better, in fact it is only going to get worse. I imagine we're going to slide in the economic abyss either at the end of this year or by Autumn next year.

Why work at all for nothing? If there is no social mobility there is no incentive to work at all period, it's that simple. Screw all that, I'll go live amongst nature the old fashion way until the day of judgement or rope arrives in this country. Make Revolution Great Again!
"Republicans are red and democrats are blue, neither political party owned by Jewish Wallstreet gives a flying fuck about you."- Myself

"They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work." - Former Russian Soviet dissidents and now presently the American working class.

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"Globalism, internationalism, and civic nationalism means the death of western civilization where instead we must install an ethnic racial form of nationalism."- Myself

"The United States is a Jewish and Zionist owned corporate plantation or labor prison." - Myself

"Syncretic politics is that taking political positions combining elements associated with the left and right that can achieve a goal of reconciliation." - Wikipedia

"Only collectivism will save our collective plight of western civilization during this crisis as individualism by itself isn't enough."- Myself

"We must secure ethnic racial homelands of European peoples worldwide."- Myself

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Throwing In The Towel And Calling It Quits. 11 Sep 2018 15:28 #4

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Sword And Hammer wrote:
The future of the United States is civil war, economic collapse, war, and overall chaotic collapse of society.

Where did you buy (or in your case steal) that crystal ball? :roll:
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Throwing In The Towel And Calling It Quits. 11 Sep 2018 15:31 #5

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Gaia wrote:
Sword And Hammer wrote:
The future of the United States is civil war, economic collapse, war, and overall chaotic collapse of society.

Where did you buy (or in your case steal) that crystal ball? :roll:

It's called following national and international markets on an almost daily basis. You should try it sometime.
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"Globalism, internationalism, and civic nationalism means the death of western civilization where instead we must install an ethnic racial form of nationalism."- Myself

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Throwing In The Towel And Calling It Quits. 11 Sep 2018 15:40 #6

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Throwing In The Towel And Calling It Quits. 11 Sep 2018 15:49 #7

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Gaia wrote:
Sword And Hammer wrote:
The future of the United States is civil war, economic collapse, war, and overall chaotic collapse of society.

Where did you buy (or in your case steal) that crystal ball? :roll:

Not there yet, but desperate people take desperate action when they are pushed too hard, be it the job market, immigration or
the huge disparate gulf in wages between the 99% and the 1%.

Normal Pathe propaganda in favour of the Government of the day, during the 1930's Depression.

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Throwing In The Towel And Calling It Quits. 11 Sep 2018 15:53 #8

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Hang in there, Sword. you're not alone. many of us feel that way. I think things will likely get worse in the coming years, before people finally say enough is enough. Too much of the middle class are still too comfortable atm. I hope you stick around, because your posts are normally very insightful and well written. Good luck with your personal situation, by the way.
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Throwing In The Towel And Calling It Quits. 11 Sep 2018 16:10 #9

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Roastie wrote:
Gaia wrote:
Sword And Hammer wrote:
The future of the United States is civil war, economic collapse, war, and overall chaotic collapse of society.

Where did you buy (or in your case steal) that crystal ball? :roll:

Not there yet, but desperate people take desperate action when they are pushed too hard, be it the job market, immigration or
the huge disparate gulf in wages between the 99% and the 1%.

Normal Pathe propaganda in favour of the Government of the day, during the 1930's Depression.


Times have changed, Roastie.

Look at the last big crash of the markets in 2007 with the (((Lehman))) Bros. scandal. There were some minor clashes and the (controlled) groups of Occupy and others spawned, but look around you in the real world, not on the internet. 95% of the people is just living his/her life, sedated by Netflix and Coca Cola.

The only way a crisis breaks out is when the internet shuts down for weeks, when people cannot access their asocial media anymore and of course the supply chains of all our resources (food, water, gasoline, other products) gets affected.

But "war"? And even "civil war" in the United States?

It is Alex Jones-style fearmongering. I hear these apocalyptic scenarios for decades already.

"No, but tomorrow, really", it's like a bad medium/fortune teller who was wrong every time, but uses those errors as self-confirmation that next time it is right. There even is a psychological term for that paradoxical behavior, I forgot now what it is called.

But my neologism self-fulshilling prophecy applies here.
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Throwing In The Towel And Calling It Quits. 11 Sep 2018 17:03 #10

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Gaia wrote:
Roastie wrote:
Gaia wrote:
Sword And Hammer wrote:
The future of the United States is civil war, economic collapse, war, and overall chaotic collapse of society.

Where did you buy (or in your case steal) that crystal ball? :roll:

Not there yet, but desperate people take desperate action when they are pushed too hard, be it the job market, immigration or
the huge disparate gulf in wages between the 99% and the 1%.

Normal Pathe propaganda in favour of the Government of the day, during the 1930's Depression.


Times have changed, Roastie.

Look at the last big crash of the markets in 2007 with the (((Lehman))) Bros. scandal. There were some minor clashes and the (controlled) groups of Occupy and others spawned, but look around you in the real world, not on the internet. 95% of the people is just living his/her life, sedated by Netflix and Coca Cola.

The only way a crisis breaks out is when the internet shuts down for weeks, when people cannot access their asocial media anymore and of course the supply chains of all our resources (food, water, gasoline, other products) gets affected.

But "war"? And even "civil war" in the United States?

It is Alex Jones-style fearmongering. I hear these apocalyptic scenarios for decades already.

"No, but tomorrow, really", it's like a bad medium/fortune teller who was wrong every time, but uses those errors as self-confirmation that next time it is right. There even is a psychological term for that paradoxical behavior, I forgot now what it is called.

But my neologism self-fulshilling prophecy applies here.


All empires collapse where even the United States isn't immune from that. When the currency becomes valueless and debt along with credit compounded interests catch up with the United States it will no longer be business as usual where this country will radically transform overnight.

2007 was a sneeze compared to what is coming our way in the near future.

Also, it isn't just Alex Jones saying these things, a lot of people are saying these things from segments of society all over the place.

People are delusional if they think the current status quo is going to last in the near future, the current status quo is taking a heavy toll on this country where it is virtually destroying it from the inside out.
"Republicans are red and democrats are blue, neither political party owned by Jewish Wallstreet gives a flying fuck about you."- Myself

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"We must reject the false dichotomy of capitalism and communism as the only choices for the world where instead we must embrace the third position of national socialism." -Myself

"Globalism, internationalism, and civic nationalism means the death of western civilization where instead we must install an ethnic racial form of nationalism."- Myself

"The United States is a Jewish and Zionist owned corporate plantation or labor prison." - Myself

"Syncretic politics is that taking political positions combining elements associated with the left and right that can achieve a goal of reconciliation." - Wikipedia

"Only collectivism will save our collective plight of western civilization during this crisis as individualism by itself isn't enough."- Myself

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Throwing In The Towel And Calling It Quits. 11 Sep 2018 17:09 #11

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Zorro wrote:
Hang in there, Sword. you're not alone. many of us feel that way. I think things will likely get worse in the coming years, before people finally say enough is enough. Too much of the middle class are still too comfortable atm. I hope you stick around, because your posts are normally very insightful and well written. Good luck with your personal situation, by the way.

No matter what happens I'll still remain online it just might be overtime instead of posting on the internet from a residence I might be posting from a random forested mountain top some place. I'm still employed at the moment thankfully in that I managed to pull a miracle out of nowhere to save myself today but unfortunately in the last forty eight hours I have had to go into debt to save my skin and of course all debts have to be paid back. It is an ongoing nightmare surviving in working class America. I might of bought myself some more time today but I don't know how much longer I can dodge bullets like this before I really do throw in the towel permanently. I've managed to pull myself out from my current crisis but these crises are becoming more and more occurring where I don't know that I will be able to pull myself out of the next one. I guess I'm not throwing in the towel quite yet but I have a feeling in the future I really will have no choice given the current environment of things and where things are going nation wide.
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"They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work." - Former Russian Soviet dissidents and now presently the American working class.

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"We must reject the false dichotomy of capitalism and communism as the only choices for the world where instead we must embrace the third position of national socialism." -Myself

"Globalism, internationalism, and civic nationalism means the death of western civilization where instead we must install an ethnic racial form of nationalism."- Myself

"The United States is a Jewish and Zionist owned corporate plantation or labor prison." - Myself

"Syncretic politics is that taking political positions combining elements associated with the left and right that can achieve a goal of reconciliation." - Wikipedia

"Only collectivism will save our collective plight of western civilization during this crisis as individualism by itself isn't enough."- Myself

"We must secure ethnic racial homelands of European peoples worldwide."- Myself

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Throwing In The Towel And Calling It Quits. 11 Sep 2018 17:34 #12

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Sword And Hammer wrote:
All empires collapse where even the United States isn't immune from that. When the currency becomes valueless and debt along with credit compounded interests catch up with the United States it will no longer be business as usual where this country will radically transform overnight.

I fear you don't understand what money actually is. Modern money is worthless. It is not based on anything; it is a cell in an Excel sheet and those who think they are in power control that.

That also means that "state debt" is an illusion. It is there to keep people in line and believe in statism and money, but it is not real. The effects of it are real, but because the whole premise is false, those effects are not more than outcomes of political mindgames.

People project their own household economical ideas onto the state, but that is wrong. You and I have no printing press at home where we can just print money as much as we like, as there is no (gold) standard to back it up.

Take for example movies. Big blockbusters nowadays cost in the order of 150 to 200 million dollars. Are they making profits from that? For most movies not (cinema visits have plummeted and the majority of watchers downloads, buys on the street or streams online) and still those production companies don't go bankrupt, which in a normal, real capitalist, society would be the case. That money is just invented, made from nothing but thin air.
2007 was a sneeze compared to what is coming our way in the near future.

Also, it isn't just Alex Jones saying these things, a lot of people are saying these things from segments of society all over the place.

People are delusional if they think the current status quo is going to last in the near future, the current status quo is taking a heavy toll on this country where it is virtually destroying it from the inside out.

You keep repeating those apocalyptic "predictions", but they are not based on anything tangible. It is handwaiving.

Look, I understand you go through personal problems in your own life and are looking for a way to externalize those and pull in the whole of your country and the whole future.

But looking at earlier crises AND looking at the huge differences between the modern and the pre-modern world, there is no basis for those predictions.

That there are more people parroting that same apocalypse doesn't make it more true.
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Throwing In The Towel And Calling It Quits. 11 Sep 2018 17:47 #13

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Gaia wrote:
Sword And Hammer wrote:
All empires collapse where even the United States isn't immune from that. When the currency becomes valueless and debt along with credit compounded interests catch up with the United States it will no longer be business as usual where this country will radically transform overnight.

I fear you don't understand what money actually is. Modern money is worthless. It is not based on anything; it is a cell in an Excel sheet and those who think they are in power control that.

That also means that "state debt" is an illusion. It is there to keep people in line and believe in statism and money, but it is not real. The effects of it are real, but because the whole premise is false, those effects are not more than outcomes of political mindgames.

People project their own household economical ideas onto the state, but that is wrong. You and I have no printing press at home where we can just print money as much as we like, as there is no (gold) standard to back it up.

Take for example movies. Big blockbusters nowadays cost in the order of 150 to 200 million dollars. Are they making profits from that? For most movies not (cinema visits have plummeted and the majority of watchers downloads, buys on the street or streams online) and still those production companies don't go bankrupt, which in a normal, real capitalist, society would be the case. That money is just invented, made from nothing but thin air.
2007 was a sneeze compared to what is coming our way in the near future.

Also, it isn't just Alex Jones saying these things, a lot of people are saying these things from segments of society all over the place.

People are delusional if they think the current status quo is going to last in the near future, the current status quo is taking a heavy toll on this country where it is virtually destroying it from the inside out.

You keep repeating those apocalyptic "predictions", but they are not based on anything tangible. It is handwaiving.

Look, I understand you go through personal problems in your own life and are looking for a way to externalize those and pull in the whole of your country and the whole future.

But looking at earlier crises AND looking at the huge differences between the modern and the pre-modern world, there is no basis for those predictions.

That there are more people parroting that same apocalypse doesn't make it more true.


You're just a naive delusional individual that believes in the current status quo thinking it is invincible and that it will always exist probably because you enjoy a good life living under it where you don't want to believe there is anything that will threaten or endanger that lifestyle of yours. I think I've told you on another occasion give it another ten years or less and we'll see if you still sing the same tune.

It is precisely that this whole economic system is an illusion or mirage built upon conjuring things out of nothing from thin air that it is on the way to collapsing. I mean, I just don't understand how people like you can't see what is going on when it is pretty obvious.

Some people the only way to convince them otherwise is for disaster and catastrophe to land on their front doorstep to wake them out of their stupor. You're one of those people obviously and yes when things do happen I'll be here to tell that I told you so.
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"We must reject the false dichotomy of capitalism and communism as the only choices for the world where instead we must embrace the third position of national socialism." -Myself

"Globalism, internationalism, and civic nationalism means the death of western civilization where instead we must install an ethnic racial form of nationalism."- Myself

"The United States is a Jewish and Zionist owned corporate plantation or labor prison." - Myself

"Syncretic politics is that taking political positions combining elements associated with the left and right that can achieve a goal of reconciliation." - Wikipedia

"Only collectivism will save our collective plight of western civilization during this crisis as individualism by itself isn't enough."- Myself

"We must secure ethnic racial homelands of European peoples worldwide."- Myself

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Throwing In The Towel And Calling It Quits. 11 Sep 2018 18:13 #14

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You're just a naive delusional individual that believes in the current status quo thinking it is invincible and that it will always exist probably because you enjoy a good life living under it where you don't want to believe there is anything that will threaten or endanger that lifestyle of yours. I think I've told you on another occasion give it another ten years or less and we'll see if you still sing the same tune.

Right, the typical "if you are not with me, you're with the terrorists" fallacy. There are more than just 2 options in life, someone who recognizes the false Hegelian dialectic of the US political system should know that.
It is precisely that this whole economic system is an illusion or mirage built upon conjuring things out of nothing from thin air that it is on the way to collapsing. I mean, I just don't understand how people like you can't see what is going on when it is pretty obvious.

Why would the magician let his show collapse instead of blowing yet another smokescreen to keep the people compliant and amazed? That makes no sense whatsoever.

The powers who think they are have all the tools at hand; weapons ("soft"; laws, pieces of paper with text on them and "hard"; the enormous Judge Dredd type of police force the US has), mind control (media, "education") and they have enough minions who believe that whole mirage, to provide "equilibrium" to society.
Some people the only way to convince them otherwise is for disaster and catastrophe to land on their front doorstep to wake them out of their stupor. You're one of those people obviously and yes when things do happen I'll be here to tell that I told you so.

No, what I observe in you is that you suffer a collapse and try to get people to sympathize by hypothesizing an even greater collapse.

In several of your posts you have hoped actually for that disaster to happen, because you believe people would "wake up".

That is foolish. Today, 17 years ago they pulled off a giant staged event in the center of arguably the most important city in the world, which is so obviously wrong that a 4 year old can see right through it, and the whole world, bar some people online, are just buying the shit. They even send themselves or their sons and daughters to fight for those freaks.

80 years ago they scripted a story where people would turn 6 million people into tons of ash, smoke, lampshades and soap, an equally unbelievable story, but look at what happens in the real world; those minions that are perfectly programmed to shill for the storytellers keep their disbelieving smarter peers in line.

If they can pull off magic tricks so enormous, you don't think they can just invent a new layer of smoke and related retarded stunts as "fractional reserve banking"?

It amazes me how one can see all those staged events, stupid stories and the amount of media octopus control over the world and still think that "they" are on the verge of collapse. "They" are thriving and will make sure they keep doing that.

I have made loose predictions in the past too, for instance I thought they would assassinate (or rather "assassinate", JFK and Fortuyn style) Donny Drumpf to wheelbarrow Hillary in as the only candidate, but I was wrong.

Apparently the agenda was to have an even bigger clown in the White House. Earlier efforts with actors (Reagan), psychos (all of them, but Billy Clinton was among the worst), chimps (George W. Bush's intelligence level would make him a cashier, not a casher) were not stupid enough, so now they put in an even bigger clown, stirring up some social friction, but in the end nothing changes for real.

If in 10 years time your scenario has come out, I will admit I was wrong again, but the reality is that the magicians will find new tricks to keep the circus rolling.

That is realism.
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Throwing In The Towel And Calling It Quits. 11 Sep 2018 18:26 #15

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You're just a naive delusional individual that believes in the current status quo thinking it is invincible and that it will always exist probably because you enjoy a good life living under it where you don't want to believe there is anything that will threaten or endanger that lifestyle of yours. I think I've told you on another occasion give it another ten years or less and we'll see if you still sing the same tune.

Right, the typical "if you are not with me, you're with the terrorists" fallacy. There are more than just 2 options in life, someone who recognizes the false Hegelian dialectic of the US political system should know that.
It is precisely that this whole economic system is an illusion or mirage built upon conjuring things out of nothing from thin air that it is on the way to collapsing. I mean, I just don't understand how people like you can't see what is going on when it is pretty obvious.

Why would the magician let his show collapse instead of blowing yet another smokescreen to keep the people compliant and amazed? That makes no sense whatsoever.

The powers who think they are have all the tools at hand; weapons ("soft"; laws, pieces of paper with text on them and "hard"; the enormous Judge Dredd type of police force the US has), mind control (media, "education") and they have enough minions who believe that whole mirage, to provide "equilibrium" to society.
Some people the only way to convince them otherwise is for disaster and catastrophe to land on their front doorstep to wake them out of their stupor. You're one of those people obviously and yes when things do happen I'll be here to tell that I told you so.

No, what I observe in you is that you suffer a collapse and try to get people to sympathize by hypothesizing an even greater collapse.

In several of your posts you have hoped actually for that disaster to happen, because you believe people would "wake up".

That is foolish. Today, 17 years ago they pulled off a giant staged event in the center of arguably the most important city in the world, which is so obviously wrong that a 4 year old can see right through it, and the whole world, bar some people online, are just buying the shit. They even send themselves or their sons and daughters to fight for those freaks.

80 years ago they scripted a story where people would turn 6 million people into tons of ash, smoke, lampshades and soap, an equally unbelievable story, but look at what happens in the real world; those minions that are perfectly programmed to shill for the storytellers keep their disbelieving smarter peers in line.

If they can pull off magic tricks so enormous, you don't think they can just invent a new layer of smoke and related retarded stunts as "fractional reserve banking"?

It amazes me how one can see all those staged events, stupid stories and the amount of media octopus control over the world and still think that "they" are on the verge of collapse. "They" are thriving and will make sure they keep doing that.

I have made loose predictions in the past too, for instance I thought they would assassinate (or rather "assassinate", JFK and Fortuyn style) Donny Drumpf to wheelbarrow Hillary in as the only candidate, but I was wrong.

Apparently the agenda was to have an even bigger clown in the White House. Earlier efforts with actors (Reagan), psychos (all of them, but Billy Clinton was among the worst), chimps (George W. Bush's intelligence level would make him a cashier, not a casher) were not stupid enough, so now they put in an even bigger clown, stirring up some social friction, but in the end nothing changes for real.

If in 10 years time your scenario has come out, I will admit I was wrong again, but the reality is that the magicians will find new tricks to keep the circus rolling.

That is realism.

I would argue that the magicians are running out of tricks where they don't have many more left if any at all and when things go sideways which they will eventually people will discover that the emperors have no clothes. Once that happens the whole stinking house of cards or dominoes will fall into themselves thus creating the collapse I speak of.

I think you make these people to be all powerful, invincible, or infallible none of which they are at all. They are quite capable of error or failure like the rest of us, they'll slip up eventually.

Yes, I guess we'll see, won't we? I would make a wager with you or bet money but fortunately for both of us I don't currently have that ability at the moment. :chuckle:
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Throwing In The Towel And Calling It Quits. 11 Sep 2018 18:36 #16

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I would argue that the magicians are running out of tricks where they don't have many more left if any at all and when things go sideways which they will eventually people will discover that the emperors have no clothes. Once that happens the whole stinking house of cards or dominoes will fall into themselves thus creating the collapse I speak of.

Magicians running out of tricks?

Look at the past?!

They have tricked us for millennia, what makes you think today suddenly they are not able to do that anymore?

If you look at all the crazy stories from the past, which are unbelievable to anyone with a decent brain capacity, and they got away with it, why now suddenly not anymore?

They got away with faking fucking people bunny hopping on the Moon, and while a decent percentage of the people at least are awake enough to discard that story, they still believe there are buggies driving around on Devon Islan... I mean Mars... They believe you can just land on a comet, going 50,000 miles an hour. Successfully, first try.

They believe there are daily school shootings with real victims, instead of crisis actors.

They believe the "emperors" have huge bombs that can destroy the whole world and turn it into a nuclear nightmare, but you can just go and enjoy sushi without any radiation poisoning happening.

Their toolbox is endless and people don't get smarter in waking up. Our online community certainly is growing, but compared to the general public it is still a minute percentage. And even our social circles think we are "crazy" for not believing all that crap.
I think you make these people to be all powerful, invincible, or infallible none of which they are at all.

It is a paradox; yes they are powerful as they have all the weapons in their own hands. No, they are not as powerful as they think they are, or at least portray themselves. That is not a contradiction, hence the word paradox; an apparent contradiction.

But if you believe the house of cards is going to collapse, can you list some tangible examples from the (recent) past where those signs are obviously happening?
Yes, I guess we'll see, won't we? I would make a wager with you or bet money but fortunately for both of us I don't currently have that ability at the moment. :chuckle:

Neither do I and I don't bet for money from principle, I am interested in the why of your hopeful pessimism (I wouldn't call it optimistic pessimism, another paradox, like passive-aggressive), because if you are not even able to convince people who can see through all the scams pulled off, how do you think you can convince those on the streets that are not truth seekers (the 95%), and mobilize your "revolution"??
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Throwing In The Towel And Calling It Quits. 11 Sep 2018 18:51 #17

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The recent events of trade wars, massive internet censorship, and edging the world closer in recent days to the verge of world war are not positions of strength but instead are positions of weakness from desperation. Of course the end result will be horrific for the world no doubt in terms of consequences but they are nonetheless acts of desperation.

That at least is how I am perceiving things.

The entire world is too vast and chaotic for one organization or group to control where they're going to learn this lesson the hard way.
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Throwing In The Towel And Calling It Quits. 11 Sep 2018 19:04 #18

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I'll tell you some truth. I've fallen on hard times myself and I'm only just coming out of the hole i was in. I'm slowly climbing my way out, tooth and claw, and I will get back on top again. I've never blamed anyone, I've never felt sorry for myself.

When things are really not working out, re-access everything, everything you know, everything you believe

I wish you good luck, strength, and wisdom

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The recent events of trade wars,

Ultra rich people have had those for centuries, did the world collapse then? And now they are far more inventive with those things and can spin it, using the media, any way they like.
massive internet censorship

1 - I see that as the frog in the boiling water plan. "Let's see how far we can take this". Pulling Alex Jones was not desperation, the guy was controlled from the start on. Pulling individual pages and YT channels, yes, you can see that as a level of desperation, but those who control that are not in the upper echelons of the Elites. They are minions, which brings me to point 2
2 - there are vast numbers of people who actually support and like the destruction of free speech. The Elites don't have to do much, the people themselves are "correcting" their peers. Something from a dystopian movie or horrible regimes as Soviet Russia, Communist China, Nazi Germany or Socialist Eastern Germany, but that is how their control works. It has been perfected since those times, but it works because of their mind control programs (media and "education").

If you really think there will be a "civil war" over such things, how is that supposed to happen? The pro-free speechers take up their guns and kitchen knives to fight against the minions? And then what?

I think a much more likely scenario is that the pro-free speechers will (have to) swallow their frustration and the anti-free speechers are growing everyday.
and edging the world closer in recent days to the verge of world war

This would be the most dramatic and impacting outcome, but where do you see this happening? You are not really believing the stories in the media that "Pootin" is "the enemy" or that Kim Il Suk is having "nuclear bombs", right? Right??

It is all theater.

There are real wars, but they are relatively small; they invade and occupy a country at a time.

Even the last 2 "world wars" were not world wars. The real fighting was restricted to certain areas, but the whole Americas were not in war. That their governminds decided to send troops doesn't mean there were bombs dropping on New York, Rio or Cancún... Same for Australia, New Zealand, large parts of Africa, India, Middle East. Most of WWII was centered around Pacific islands, eastern and southeast Asia and of course Europe.

But what was one of the main reasons for those wars; technological advancements. Tanks, submarines and the first planes (WWI) and better planes and rockets (WWII).

Today most of the advancement is in IT and you see that; many wars are not technologically advanced apart from the front of the theater; the tell-lie-vision, the internet memes and (staged) videos.

The suggestion of war is much stronger and easier than real war. (Orwell)
are not positions of strength but instead are positions of weakness from desperation. Of course the end result will be horrific for the world no doubt in terms of consequences but they are nonetheless acts of desperation.

That at least is how I am perceiving things.

The entire world is too vast and chaotic for one organization or group to control where they're going to learn this lesson the hard way.

But that is the thing; there is not 1 centralized pyramidical control structure. There are rich families that control parts of it and they keep doing that for millennia. Now, with globalism, it is also much easier to control things than before.

In the past we relied on agricultural lands, now you just order a shipping company to get the stuff from anywhere.

The only thing that is and always will be needed are resources; oil and gas and ores. You cannot just invent a tungsten deposit; you really have to mine the shit.

But with all those companies being multinationals anyway, how is that going to lead to war? And especially a world war?
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Throwing In The Towel And Calling It Quits. 11 Sep 2018 19:47 #20

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All empires collapse where even the United States isn't immune from that. When the currency becomes valueless and debt along with credit compounded interests catch up with the United States it will no longer be business as usual where this country will radically transform overnight.

I fear you don't understand what money actually is. Modern money is worthless. It is not based on anything; it is a cell in an Excel sheet and those who think they are in power control that.

That also means that "state debt" is an illusion. It is there to keep people in line and believe in statism and money, but it is not real. The effects of it are real, but because the whole premise is false, those effects are not more than outcomes of political mindgames.

People project their own household economical ideas onto the state, but that is wrong. You and I have no printing press at home where we can just print money as much as we like, as there is no (gold) standard to back it up.

Take for example movies. Big blockbusters nowadays cost in the order of 150 to 200 million dollars. Are they making profits from that? For most movies not (cinema visits have plummeted and the majority of watchers downloads, buys on the street or streams online) and still those production companies don't go bankrupt, which in a normal, real capitalist, society would be the case. That money is just invented, made from nothing but thin air.
2007 was a sneeze compared to what is coming our way in the near future.

Also, it isn't just Alex Jones saying these things, a lot of people are saying these things from segments of society all over the place.

People are delusional if they think the current status quo is going to last in the near future, the current status quo is taking a heavy toll on this country where it is virtually destroying it from the inside out.

You keep repeating those apocalyptic "predictions", but they are not based on anything tangible. It is handwaiving.

Look, I understand you go through personal problems in your own life and are looking for a way to externalize those and pull in the whole of your country and the whole future.

But looking at earlier crises AND looking at the huge differences between the modern and the pre-modern world, there is no basis for those predictions.

That there are more people parroting that same apocalypse doesn't make it more true.

Fuck you you stupid, downplaying miserable cunt KIKE.

Fuck off you fekking ROOKIE trying to school us hardcore National Socialists on what money is.

LOL!! The greatest troll of the forum suddenly puts himself on a pedestal portraying himself as the wise-guy here.

Holy shit the narcissism is raging in that jew. :larf:
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