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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 30 Sep 2012 22:27 #1

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Do you think people have the right to die when they want to die, or should they be denied that right?

Do you think it's open to abuse....people wanting to die/being pushed, so as not to be a burden on their families?

I would like to think that if I was suffering from an incurable disease, that I could end my life when the time was right for me.
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 30 Sep 2012 22:41 #2

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I think if people want to end their own life, because their quality of life will reach such a state that it won't be worth living, then they should have that right.

It could be open to abuse though like you say phe.

It must be incredibly sad to have a loved one in that position. And a very brave choice from the individual who is choosing to die. I mean the survival instinct is incredibly strong, and to make that decision can't be that easy.
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 30 Sep 2012 22:49 #3

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I agree irre, for someone to choose to die to end their pain is incredibly brave.
I don't think most would choose this route lightly.
Everything in life, as well as death, is open to abuse, but I would like to think there would be safeguards in place to protect against this.
I think it's awful that if someone chooses to die this way, that they have to travel to a different country, usually Switzerland to accomplish this.
I'm sure that many Drs have helped people on their way, but it should be more open and recognised as not such a terrible thing.
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 01 Oct 2012 00:44 #4

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pheony wrote:
Do you think people have the right to die when they want to die, or should they be denied that right?

Do you think it's open to abuse....people wanting to die/being pushed, so as not to be a burden on their families?

I would like to think that if I was suffering from an incurable disease, that I could end my life when the time was right for me.

Do you think people have the right to die when they want to die, or should they be denied that right?
Yes in the situation of a terminal illness with incredible pain.

Do you think it's open to abuse....people wanting to die/being pushed, so as not to be a burden on their families?
Yes patients, or terminally ill people receive much abuse at times from their family, I have seen it,mostly verbal or a cold uncaring attitude.

I would like to think that if I was suffering from an incurable disease, that I could end my life when the time was right for me.
Same thought for me also
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 01 Oct 2012 10:08 #5

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Yes, if and when I want to die, I'll make sure I do. It's a pity that would leave a stigma on my family because of current laws and attitudes.

If and when a close family member wants to die, that's a different problem, because the instinct to help them with their wish is hindered by the fact that you'd be imprisoned for it, unless you've got the funds, as you say, to travel abroad.

But it's a very difficult conundrum, while there are so many cold people who would take advantage of it if it were legalised. There'd be plenty who'd probably be perfectly willing to instigate the bumping off of elderly relatives, gaining freedom from any duty to care for them, and also benefiting from inheritance of any property / wealth that person had accumulated.

Then you've got the Harold Shipman type scenario to contend with too.

Perhaps some proper legal process could be constructed to try to safeguard folk, but I'm not sure how effective it would be. I can't think how that could be thorough, without the involvement of psychologists and solicitors, and all kinds of bureaucracy, and probably a big financial costs being incurred. Then those individuals would be vulnerable themselves to accusations, if any relatives or close friends disapproved. It's very, very tricky.

How do they manage it in places like Switzerland?
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 01 Oct 2012 13:32 #6

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for terminally ill
and for the pain inflicted.

that's being humane , right?

do we not put animals down who suffer, with no question's asked.
why not those humans who are suffering just as bad, not to mention the families that go through it with the person in pain.
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 02 Oct 2012 09:27 #7

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This subject was very close to me this year.

In July, my sister-in-law went to Dignitas in Switzerland, to escape from the clutches of motor-neurone-didease.

It's very hard on the family.
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 02 Oct 2012 09:37 #8

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I imagine it is very hard, Jhado, and very sad. I'm glad for her that she had the strength to take control at the end.
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 02 Oct 2012 23:46 #9

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pheony wrote:
Do you think people have the right to die when they want to die, or should they be denied that right?

I believe that a person has the right to choose their own destiny, and that includes the way they choose to die.

Freedom of choice for the individual is the only real freedom, and it isn't negotiable, not by government, or medical 'experts', or anyone else.

Do you think it’s open to abuse.…people want­ing to die/​being pushed, so as not to be a bur­den on their fam­i­lies?


Unfortunately and inevitably yes. Its a part of human nature that that will happen. Like murder, rape etc happens and always will. But that unpleasant fact of life is never a valid reason/justification to restrict personal freedom/s right?

Viva Dignitas.
The pen is mightier than the sword
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 03 Oct 2012 15:42 #10

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@ Gilly..

Terry pratchett was involved in the making of a very moving program about a gentleman who went to Switzerland to die. (Dignitas)

I think it was called 'Choosing when to die'...You might find it on youtube.
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 17 Feb 2013 04:17 #11

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When people get old and have spine injuries , parkinson's , Cluster Headaches or other super painful injuries people should have that right to go to sleep and not wake up.
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 18 Feb 2013 02:18 #12

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tough subject. on one hand yes people should be allowed to die when they want to, some should probably even be "put down", but if they are incapable of making an educated and coherent decision and know all the facts (mentally unstable or on so many medications they cannot think straight) the choice should not be theirs. nor should the choice be that of the next of kin or family, doctors, etc... it is a personal decision but unless they are 100% they cannot make the decision and most facing that point are not in the best mental, emotional or physical condition to make that choice.
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 01 May 2016 16:07 #13

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I thought to share this information on this thread:




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Cinta wrote:
Reichsleiter Bouhler and Dr. Brandt, M.D. are charged with the responsibility of enlarging the authority

of certain physicians to be designated by name in such a manner that persons who, according to

human judgment, are incurable can, upon a most careful diagnosis of their condition of sickness,

be accorded a mercy death
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Reich Leader Bouhler and

Dr. Brandt


are entrusted with the responsibility of extending the authority

of physicians, designated by name, so that patients who, on the

basis of human judgment [menschlichem Ermessen], are considered

incurable, can be granted mercy death [Gnadentod] after a definitive

diagnosis.



— Adolf Hitler





Today the correct term in German is Sterbehilfe.
In English you call it "euthanasia".




:right: Euthanasia in the Netherlands

:right: Sterbehilfegesetz in den Niederlanden

:right: The country where death is now just a lifestyle choice: Holland

:right: Number of Dutch killed by euthanasia rises by 13 per cent

:right: Number of mentally ill patients killed by euthanasia in Holland trebles - doctors warn assisted suicide is 'out of control'

:right: Euthanasia in Holland - The Truth!

:right: Euthanasia in the Netherlands

:right: Background about Euthanasia in The Netherlands

:right: Involuntary Euthanasia is Out of Control in Holland





Deflecting from what is really going on today - not only in Holland - by claiming the prerogative of interpretation - as usual,
clearly shows the mindset of those members on TZ, who fight tooth and nail, day in day out, to keep the lies going,
while they are desperately trying to suppress free speech by using all kinds of typical, well-known methods.

What are you doing on a forum called Truth Zone, if you are not in the least interested in truth. Rhetorical question.

I am out of here for now and let you have your go undisturbedly, system propagandists, you surely won't get bored to
spread more of your unprovable but most politically correct lies, for one all too obvious aim only. You are just exposing
yourself increasingly more with every post you make.

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Original post and context: truth-zone.net/forum/general-discussion/66973-this-is-national-socialism.html?start=40#206620


Further reference on TZ

-> Belgium Introduces Death Penalty Without Trial for Minors, Or Euthanasia

-> Poll: Should assisted suicide be legalized?

-> "Their only crime was ..."
traditional lament performed by Cinta

-> ''Against Good Breeding: Understanding Jewish Opposition to Eugenics'' also by Cinta

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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 01 May 2016 16:24 #14

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Gilly wrote:
How do they manage it in places like Switzerland?

No state religion
Keep your spirit level
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 01 May 2016 16:53 #15

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Nasty business - making a living out of killing people who are ill.
Something best left to those foreigners abroad who seem willing to engage in such practices.
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 01 May 2016 18:31 #16

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What if you are in the situation of this 99-year old lady and you are just done with life,and want to end it in a humane way?

When her son Albert Heringa asked her if she was sure to take the lethal substance she cited Friedrich Schiller :

'' ‘Ich bin zu Sterben bereit und bitte nicht um mein Leben (I am ready to die and I do not ask for my life)

''In June 2008 Albert Heringa (1942) helped his 99-year old mother Moek, Marie Heringa-van der Borgh,
to die on her explicit request.
In the documentary Moek’s Final Wish one can see that he gave her the lethal substance and was with her when she took it.

Maria (Moek) Heringa was not sick but she felt that she had lived a full and completed life and therefore wanted to end her life.

Moek wanted to die, but nobody could or was willing to help her. Euthanasia received no consideration, and to stop with eating
and drinking was hard. Besides, her caregivers could have prevented it.


This documentary Moek’s Final Wish is in English

vimeo.com/57580591
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 01 May 2016 18:53 #17

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Cinta wrote:
Here is the entire movie for those who can understand German.




Thank you very much, Cinta, very interesting, for I haven't known or watched this before! :)






Translation by machine
Professor Heyt and his young wife Hanna live in the happiest marriage. The professor has worked his way up from very simple relationships to de position of a scientist who now also permitted to make the conditions of life more pleasant. A festive evening on the occasion of the appointment of the professor to head a world famous scientific institute should reaffirm the happiness of the spouses. While a small house concert Hanna, the young woman must suddenly give up the piano, - the left hand denied her the service. When the paralysis does not decrease in the next few days, can the Professor Hanna of Dr. Lang, examine the friend of the family. With the help of the ophthalmoscope, Dr. Lang laid a irretrievably to decay and death leading disease, multiple sclerosis, at Hanna. The condition of the young woman getting worse rapidly. Professor Heyt now sees his major task is to find the causative agent of the disease. The work leads him to other, important scientific results, but the results that could save Hanna, he does not find.

It seems to go with the young woman to the end. She suffers, irretrievably lost, unspeakable torment. As the Professor takes the limit. The soothing potion he gives her, her brings death. "Oh, Thomas, this would be the death" she says, and it responds with a voice that carries all the love, but also all the responsibility in itself: "Yes, Hanna, it is death!" As they passed now sleeping, illuminated deep gratitude in her eyes. - Serious allegations levied against the Professor; it comes to a court hearing to a charge of "killing on request". His friend Dr. Lang, the only condemned his act and was decided against him, has - when he saw the nameless misery in a sanatorium, which led him to the prison doctor in mind - now made the defender Professor Heyts. The court and the jury are trying to bring about an acquittal. Previously Professor Heyt has been silent. But now, when he sees that the charges should be dropped against him, now he accuses. After his flaming indictment asks Professor Heyt to the judgment.

Illustrierter Film-Kurier

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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 01 May 2016 19:01 #18

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@ Pfizpfei and all other National Socialists on this forum :

Do you agree with the fact that innocent people who did not ask for their death

still get euthanized by doctors who were ordered to do this by the leader ?
This kind of disgusting and disrespectful behaviour is condoned here

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''Cinta is a whore.
I don't change one word I've said.''

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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 01 May 2016 23:00 #19

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Cinta wrote:
@ Pfizpfei and all other National Socialists on this forum :

Do you agree with the fact that innocent people who did not ask for their death

still get euthanized by doctors who were ordered to do this by the leader ?

You have any backup for that claim?
"Freedom is not a measure of good, but good is the measure of freedom." - Bishop Williamson


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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 02 May 2016 00:16 #20

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moved
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
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