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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 05 May 2016 14:27 #61

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''In 1920, Karl Binding and Alfred Hoche, two German professors of high regard,
published their two part argument that there were lives that were not worthy of living,
and society not only had the right, it had the duty, to put such lives out of their 'misery.

Binding and Hoche were not radical racists. They were not National Socialists or
intellectual henchmen for the Nazis. They were scholars, merely rendering their sober
judgement on a topic based on advances in science and ethics.

How then did their book serve as a catalyst for Hitler's horrors? Few realize that before
there were 'extermination' camps, there was the "Action T4" program, that quietly
eliminated mentally ill and disabled people of all ages... and these were fellow Germans!
The techniques for mass murder were mastered in the T4 program and later exported
to the concentration camps. From beginning to end, these policies were considered
medical in nature, and thus doctors--who had imbibed on Binding and Hoche's
ethical arguments--were front and center in their implementation.


For those who can read and understand the German language
Die Freigabe der Vernichtung lebensunwerten Lebens.
Ihr Maß und ihre Form.

Von den Professoren
Dr. jur. et. phil. Karl Binding (früher in Leipzig)
und Dr. med. Alfred Hoche (in Freiburg)
Verlag von Felix Meiner in Leipzig
1920

staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~rohrmann/Literatur/binding.html

''PART I: RECHTLICHE AUSFÜHRUNG by Dr. Karl Binding
(The Legal Implementation)

SECTION I.i: DIE HEUTIGE RECHTLICHE NATUR DES SELBSTMORDES
(The Currently Legal Nature of Suicide)

SECTION I.ii: KEINER BESONDEREN FREIGABE BEDARF DIE REINE BEWIRKUNG DER EUTHANASIE IN RICHTIGER BEGRENZUNG
(Special Permission is Unnecessary to Actually Implement Euthanasia within Proper Limits)

SECTION I.iii: ANSATZE ZU WEITERE FREIGABE
(Starting Points for Removing the Restrictions)

SECTION I.iv: STEIGERUNG DER PRIVILEGIERUNGSGRUNDE DES TÖTUNGSDELIKTES FÜR DIE FREIGABE DER TÖTUNG DRITTER?
(The Legal Conditions and Basis for Euthanasia)

SECTION I.v: DIE ENTSCHEIDUNG ÜBER DIE FREIGABE
(The Decision to Permit Euthanasia)

SECTION I.vi: DAS BEDENKEN DER MÖGLICHERWEISE IRRTÜMLICHEN FREIGABE
(Considering the Possibility that Permission is Given by Mistake)


PART II: ÄRZTLICHE BEMERKUNGEN by Dr. Alfred Hoche
(Medical Remarks: Why Physicians Are Justified in Ending a Life to Reduce Suffering)

staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~rohrmann/Literatur/binding.html
www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/BindingHoche.htm
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 05 May 2016 16:16 #62

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PFIZIPFEI wrote:
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I'm a registered nurse.
Here's how we care for terminally ill patients in the UK.
"Palliative care is the active holistic care of patients with advanced progressive illness. Management of pain and other symptoms and provision of psychological, social and spiritual support is paramount. The goal of palliative care is achievement of the best quality of life for patients and their families."

Sounds nice, the reality is sometimes quite different and the social health care system is about to collapse
because of the "refugees", at least in the occupied FRG, and this thread is about

What are your thoughts on euthanasia?

and not about grandiloquently presented texts of image campaigns by health authorities.

Just saying ...

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My thoughts on euthanasia are that it is a nasty business - making a living out of killing people who are ill.
Something that is best left to those foreigners outside of the UK who seem willing to engage in such practices for gain.
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 11 May 2016 16:03 #63

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PFIZIPFEI wrote:
Cinta wrote:
Flare wrote:
I think euthanasia is a good thing.

And it seems Germany was very modern on this subject, by granting people a mercy death in stead of endless suffering.

Voluntary or involuntary ?

Which one is a ''good thing'' according to you Flare?



Now we finally get to the crux of the matter and hopefully to reasonable discussion!

What about people who can't decide consciously on their own for various reasons?

Is anybody entitled to make a decision on their behalf?

Who?

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PFIZIPFEI wrote:
Flare wrote:
Well, if someone can not make his/her decision to her own due to disability (like a long lasting coma for example) then I thinkthe family should be able to decide. Maybe it's also a good idea to put something on paper what one prefers if one gets disabled.

Yes, this is common practice, but what if the person in coma is the black sheep of the family or the wealthy uncle?

What about orphans?

What if the closest relatives reject the responsibility and no advance decision can be found for whatever reasons,
or the suffering person is a minor?

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Flare wrote:
Well, in that case I would suggest 3 doctors agreeing on the euthanasia. And if they don't, then they have to check again every 2 months.



This means someone HAS to decide
or otherwise the person will suffer to death slowly.

How can we be sure that the person is apt to decide?
Who is apt to decide that this person is apt to decide?
And so on and so forth.
Everybody seems apt to decide, if we e.g. look at what is
going on in Holland today, except the Germans then.
Why is this so?




And I thought to share this conversation on this thread:




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Dear Annabelle,

why are there no English subs to this film, do you think this is an objective text you posted,
thus you seem to agree with the contents, or rather an ADL-based propaganda pamphlet
and what was the reason that you omitted to post the link to the source?

What was the reason that you did not even post the video description?

A film made by the National Socialists during the Third Reich addressing the issue of the retarded and incurably mentally ill and how such persons drain scarce resources from society yet serve no purpose.

:dunno:

Your sources:

- drvitelli.typepad.com/providentia/2007/03/the_hereditary_.html
- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erbkrank


Alternative sources:

- Hereditary diseases (Translation)
- Law for the prevention of hereditarily diseased offspring (Translation)


"We don't stand alone"

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Law for the prevention of hereditarily diseased offspring



Reich Law Gazette

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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 11 May 2016 17:45 #64

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Off-topic on the original thread, thus I quote the conversation here.







Voltaire wrote:
alex.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/alex?aid=dra&datum=1933&size=45&page=654

link to searchable version of image posted by P.

edit

no full english translations (tho only looked briefly)

wiki does accurately translate the first part of the law

further edit - there are 2 more pages of the law

alex.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/alex?aid=dra&datum=1933&size=45&page=655

alex.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/alex?aid=dra&datum=1933&size=45&page=656
1) Any person suffering from a hereditary disease may be rendered incapable of procreation by means of a surgical operation (sterilization), if the experience of medical science shows that it is highly probable that his descendants would suffer from some serious physical or mental hereditary defect.
(2) For the purposes of this law, any person will be considered as hereditarily diseased who is suffering from any one of the following diseases: –

(1) Congenital Mental Deficiency,
(2) Schizophrenia,
(3) Manic-Depressive Insanity,
(4) Hereditary Epilepsy,
(5) Hereditary Chorea (Huntington’s),
(6) Hereditary Blindness,
(7) Hereditary Deafness,
(8) Any severe hereditary deformity.

(3) Any person suffering from severe alcoholism may be also rendered incapable of procreation
It then ignores the rest of the law as far as tranlslation goes. Not saying the areticle is BS, but an objective source would surely translate the whole law.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_for_the_Prevention_of_Hereditarily_Diseased_Offspring



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Wir stehen nicht allein: "We do not stand alone". Poster from 1936. The woman is holding a baby and the man is holding a shield inscribed with the title of Germany's 1933 Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring. The couple is in front of a map of Germany, surrounded by the flags of nations which had enacted (to the left) or were considering (bottom and to the right) similar legislation.



"In these countries there are already (unreadable) laws"

United States (1912) (date illegible; Indiana enacted first laws in 1907)
Denmark (1929)
Norway (1934)
Sweden (1935)
Finland (1935?)



"These countries consider (unreadable) protection (?)"

Hungary
United Kingdom
Switzerland
Poland
Japan
Latvia
Estonia



The map also shows the pre-WW1 borders of Germany in the east (territory lost to Poland).
Date 1 March 1936
Source Scan taken from Robert Proctor, Racial Hygiene: Medicine under the Nazis (Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press), page 96. Originally from Neues Volk, March 1, 1936, p.37.



Voltaire wrote:
we are going way OT, but it is interesting to see how other countries were also concerned about their children being born healthy. Emotive topic. Aborting healthy children is often considered acceptable.

Wierd worldviews



PFIZIPFEI wrote:

This is what those who call others for differing non-pc opinions "bigots"
love to ignore and they are not in the least interested in billions of massacred
and sold in parts gentile babies:


:right: Planned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Organs



Ever wondered what happens to aborted Muslim, Jewish ... babies?
Don't they kill their own before they saw the first light?

:dunno:

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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 11 May 2016 19:00 #65

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The Hippocratic Oath

The full text from the "Harvard Classics" Translation
''I SWEAR by Apollo the physician and AEsculapius, and Health, and All-heal, and all the gods and goddesses, that,
according to my ability and judgment, I will keep this Oath and this stipulation -- to reckon him who taught me this Art
equally dear to me as my parents, to share my substance with him, and relieve his necessities if required; to look upon
his offspring in the same footing as my own brothers, and to teach them this art, if they shall wish to learn it, without fee
or stipulation; and that by precept, lecture, and every other mode of instruction, I will impart a knowledge of the Art to
my own sons, and those of my teachers, and to disciples bound by a stipulation and oath according to the law of medicine,
but to none others. I will follow that system of regimen which, according to my ability and judgement, I consider for the
benefit of my patients, and abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous. I will give no deadly medicine to any one
if asked, nor suggest any such counsel;
and in like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion.
With purity and with holiness I will pass my life and practice my Art. I will not cut persons labouring under the stone, but
will leave this to be done by men who are practitioners of this work. Into whatever houses I enter, I will go into them for
the benefit of the sick, and will abstain from every voluntary act of mischief and corruption; and, further, from the seduction
of females or males, of freemen and slaves. Whatever, in connection with my professional service, or not in connection with it,
I see or hear, in the life of men, which ought not to be spoken of abroad, I will not divulge, as reckoning that all such should
be kept secret. While I continue to keep this Oath unviolated, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and the practice of the art,
respected by all men, in all times. But should I trespass and violate this Oath, may the reverse be my lot.''
www.euthanasia.com/oathtext.html



Here is a part of a more modern verson written 1964 by Louis Lasagna, Academic Dean of the School of Medicine at Tufts University,

'' Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks.
But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness
and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.''
www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/hippocratic-oath-today.html
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 11 May 2016 20:34 #66

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Given the circumstances, you might want to start a "REMEMBER YOUR OATH" campaign in Holland?




:right: Euthanasia in the Netherlands

:right: Sterbehilfegesetz in den Niederlanden

:right: The country where death is now just a lifestyle choice: Holland

:right: Number of Dutch killed by euthanasia rises by 13 per cent

:right: Number of mentally ill patients killed by euthanasia in Holland trebles - doctors warn assisted suicide is 'out of control'

:right: Euthanasia in Holland - The Truth!

:right: Euthanasia in the Netherlands

:right: Background about Euthanasia in The Netherlands

:right: Involuntary Euthanasia is Out of Control in Holland




What is your personal take on this situation?


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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 11 May 2016 20:49 #67

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Given the circumstances, you might want to start a "REMEMBER YOUR OATH" campaign in Holland?




:right: Euthanasia in the Netherlands

:right: Sterbehilfegesetz in den Niederlanden

:right: The country where death is now just a lifestyle choice: Holland

:right: Number of Dutch killed by euthanasia rises by 13 per cent

:right: Number of mentally ill patients killed by euthanasia in Holland trebles - doctors warn assisted suicide is 'out of control'

:right: Euthanasia in Holland - The Truth!

:right: Euthanasia in the Netherlands

:right: Background about Euthanasia in The Netherlands

:right: Involuntary Euthanasia is Out of Control in Holland




What is your personal take on this situation?


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Looking at the amount of research you have put into it ; you as a member of das Brudervolk can do that for me.

I am not a Catholic nor am I a Jew,so I do not need to abide to the Law;I have stated this many times,
so what ever my views on the subject are it won't change anything for me.Cappish.

And if you are referring to Erbkranke or psychiatric patients
No I don't want innocent people who cannot decide for themselfs get euthanized

Can give me your views please;a simple yes or no and maybe a small explanation will really be enough.
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 11 May 2016 21:10 #68

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Cinta wrote:
Looking at the amount of research you have put into it ; you as a member of das Brudervolk can do that for me.

I am not a Catholic nor am I a Jew,so I do not need to abide to the Law;I have stated this many times,
so what ever my views on the subject are it won't change anything for me.Cappish.


And if you are referring to Erbkranke or psychiatric patients
No I don't want innocent people who cannot decide for themselfs get euthanized

Can give me your views please;a simple yes or no and maybe a small explanation will really be enough.



Don't you think it is quite strange what you are saying and that you respond
to almost every question with a question?

And of course you are neither a Catholic, nor a Jew :cool2:

Instead of posting ADL pictures, videos and comments, vilifying Germany 1933-1945
and all Germans to this very day, you could do your own research or at least take note
of the information in comments, which are not ADL approved, by lesser politically correct
members. This is totally out of your range of tasks.

But you are by far the only one on this forum who is busy trying to work off an easily to see through agenda.




“Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry
and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis.
They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal
but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed.”


- Ilan Shturman

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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 11 May 2016 21:35 #69

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PFIZIPFEI wrote:
Cinta wrote:
Looking at the amount of research you have put into it ; you as a member of das Brudervolk can do that for me.

I am not a Catholic nor am I a Jew,so I do not need to abide to the Law;I have stated this many times,
so what ever my views on the subject are it won't change anything for me.Cappish.


And if you are referring to Erbkranke or psychiatric patients
No I don't want innocent people who cannot decide for themselfs get euthanized

Can give me your views please;a simple yes or no and maybe a small explanation will really be enough.



Don't you think it is quite strange what you are saying and that you respond
to almost every question with a question?

And of course you are neither a Catholic, nor a Jew :cool2:

Instead of posting ADL pictures, videos and comments, vilifying Germany 1933-1945
and all Germans to this very day, you could do your own research or at least take note
of the information in comments, which are not ADL approved, by lesser politically correct
members. This is totally out of your range of tasks.

But you are by far the only one on this forum who is busy trying to work off an easily to see through agenda.




“Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry
and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis.
They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal
but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed.”


- Ilan Shturman

Source

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Maybe your eyes are tired,and that's ok,so I have emphasized my answer ;I hope you can read it now :dunno:

And would it be too much to ask if you could respond to my question: :dunno:

Can you give me your views please;a simple yes or no and maybe a small explanation will really be enough
Do you want to euthanize this little girl PFIZIPFEI ?


Do you think those German people who gave their testimony about their loved ones being euthanized are lying ?

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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 11 May 2016 21:46 #70

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Source of the second quote please.
Or just invented in this moment?
Lovely shopped picture of a mongoloid girl.

You obviously did not read the previous comments
in which Annabelle came up with the same old ADL
prop vid which you had already posted before and
which I had already commented on.


Here you go again:

=> truth-zone.net/forum/public-vent-room/67078-excerpts-of-zorro-a-moderator-who-abuses-his-entrusted-position.html?start=20#208925

=> truth-zone.net/forum/public-vent-room/67078-excerpts-of--a-moderator-who-abuses-his-entrusted-position.html?start=20#208932

=> truth-zone.net/forum/public-vent-room/67078-excerpts-of-zorro-a-moderator-who-abuses-his-entrusted-position.html?start=20#208939

=> truth-zone.net/forum/public-vent-room/67078-excerpts-of-zorro-a-moderator-who-abuses-his-entrusted-position.html?start=20#208941



or simply read comment # 63 on this thread.

Going on like this only exposes you for what you are.

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feeling that it has a decided majority on its side."

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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 12 May 2016 04:38 #71

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'same old ADL propaganda video'... you mean this one?



One of Nazi propaganda movies produced by the Office of Racial Policy in the National Socialist Racial and Political Office meant to warn the greater public about the dangers and costs posed by mentally ill and mentally retarded people.

(must put in the video description or will be in trouble)
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 12 May 2016 08:57 #72

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annabelle wrote:
'same old ADL propaganda video'... you mean this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7LO86EMw8Y

One of Nazi propaganda movies produced by the Office of Racial Policy in the National Socialist Racial and Political Office meant to warn the greater public about the dangers and costs posed by mentally ill and mentally retarded people.

(must put in the video description or will be in trouble)


So what exactly are you on about, Annabelle?
Are you able to understand the German texts?
Which part of them are you objecting and for what reason?
You don't like the black and white perhaps?

What made you post the anti-German hate propaganda
without mentioning the source?


=> truth-zone.net/forum/the-medical-establishment/60407-what-are-your-thoughts-on-euthanasia.html?start=60#208936
=> truth-zone.net/forum/public-vent-room/67078-excerpts-of-zorro-a-moderator-who-abuses-his-entrusted-position.html?start=20#208925


And no, I am not surprised to see that neither you, nor Cinta are
interested in the least in the current euthanasia situation, or
in the fact that the USA had "Erbkrank" laws since 1912,
Indiana even had enacted the first laws in 1907
.

Wouldn't it be interesting to find historic USA propaganda?
Just so that we could compare and find the difference, if
there is any and the original texts of the laws. But it seems
your are specialized in and exclusively concentrate on
Germany 1933-1945 for certain reasons.


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where, in fact, error prevails, and is quite easy in the
feeling that it has a decided majority on its side."

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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 12 May 2016 09:07 #73

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Perhaps that's because that period was when these extreme solutions were first attempted on a mass scale? As to those US flirtations with euthanasia, Germans have been living in America since way before 1907, so are you sure there were none involved in these US attempts at implementation?
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 12 May 2016 11:44 #74

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Perhaps that's because that period was when these extreme solutions were first attempted on a mass scale? As to those US flirtations with euthanasia, Germans have been living in America since way before 1907, so are you sure there were none involved in these US attempts at implementation?


Two and a half lines. Respect.

Come back with evidence - and this does not include ADL/JIDF copy & paste prop - for your wild claims.

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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 12 May 2016 12:14 #75

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As Germans became one of the predominant immigrant groups of the 19th century, it was only natural that they would come to have a powerful influence over the development of American culture. Some German contributions to U.S. life are easy to pinpoint - sauerkraut, for example, or the tuba, or the national fondness for beer. However, the German influence on life in the United States runs much deeper, influencing many of the institutions, traditions, and daily habits that many today think of as being American.

www.1stchoicemag.com/leisure-recreation/76-german-immigrant-influence-on-american-culture

Obviously, you noble Germans only ever influenced the good bits of Americanism. You know, John Wayne, the KKK, etc?
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 12 May 2016 12:24 #76

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Sounds very positive and healthy - except your scarcely hidden as sarcasm hate of Germans -
and has nil relevance whatsoever to your wild claims in your penultimate post.

Come back if you are able to present evidence for your vile insinuations, instead of your usual phrasemongering.

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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 12 May 2016 12:28 #77

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I don't have a hatred for all things German, I'm just offering a counterpoint to the "nazi Germans were just misunderstood" bullshit that is being thrown around. Again, you only seem to want to acknowledge the good stuff some Germans might have contributed to the world, while conveniently ignoring any of the bad.
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What are your thoughts on euthanasia? 12 May 2016 12:31 #78

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I don't have a hatred for all things German, I'm just offering a counterpoint to the "nazi Germans were just misunderstood" bullshit that is being thrown around.


Well, more commonplace from the mouth/keyboard of one of the most infamous dif pit trolls.

Now where is the evidence for your vile insinuations?

=> truth-zone.net/forum/the-medical-establishment/60407-what-are-your-thoughts-on-euthanasia.html?start=60#209091

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The youth camps were run by an organization of German immigrants in the United States to cultivate a loyal Nazi following in their adopted homeland. All but forgotten today, the group known as the German American Bund (bund is German for “alliance”) was one of the most controversial political groups of the politically uncertain 1930s.

www.americainwwii.com/articles/americans-for-hitler/

Those organisers didn't just appear out of a clear blue sky. They were part of a subversive minority who'd have been quite at home proscribing euthanasia and eugenics for some.
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ragnarok wrote:
The youth camps were run by an organization of German immigrants in the United States to cultivate a loyal Nazi following in their adopted homeland. All but forgotten today, the group known as the German American Bund (bund is German for “alliance”) was one of the most controversial political groups of the politically uncertain 1930s.

www.americainwwii.com/articles/americans-for-hitler/

Those organisers didn't just appear out of a clear blue sky. They were part of a subversive minority who'd have been quite at home proscribing euthanasia and eugenics for some.



In fact the USA had "Erbkrank" laws since 1912,
Indiana even had enacted the first laws in 1907
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Still no evidence for your vile insinuations

=> truth-zone.net/forum/the-medical-establishment/60407-what-are-your-thoughts-on-euthanasia.html?start=60#209091

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