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ME study, the Medical Establishment & the Government 08 Mar 2014 20:07 #21

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.........you can do dots, but you might be better to start a thread in the health forum. I originally intended for the thread to be about the PACE study and the criminals who benefit from such studies. But maybe that conversation has finished now, so it's up to you.
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ME study, the Medical Establishment & the Government 10 Mar 2014 11:23 #22

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On BBC radio 4 at the moment is a programme on faith healing. The medical establishment are saying in it more or less altering the mind alone cannot really effect the illness. On this (CFS/ME) subject we have a psychiatrist saying the original illness does not matter as altering the mind alone can overcome the illness.

It seems for the medical establishment who is saying something is more important than what they are saying.
This clearly exposes the working of a hierarchy, where a persons position in the pyramid is more important than finding the truth.
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ME study, the Medical Establishment & the Government 10 Mar 2014 13:07 #23

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jonb wrote:
On BBC radio 4 at the moment is a programme on faith healing. The medical establishment are saying in it more or less altering the mind alone cannot really effect the illness. On this (CFS/ME) subject we have a psychiatrist saying the original illness does not matter as altering the mind alone can overcome the illness.

It seems for the medical establishment who is saying something is more important than what they are saying.
This clearly exposes the working of a hierarchy, where a persons position in the pyramid is more important than finding the truth.

elaborate on this jonb...
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ME study, the Medical Establishment & the Government 10 Mar 2014 19:30 #24

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jonb wrote:
On BBC radio 4 at the moment is a programme on faith healing. The medical establishment are saying in it more or less altering the mind alone cannot really effect the illness. On this (CFS/ME) subject we have a psychiatrist saying the original illness does not matter as altering the mind alone can overcome the illness.

It seems for the medical establishment who is saying something is more important than what they are saying.
This clearly exposes the working of a hierarchy, where a persons position in the pyramid is more important than finding the truth.

Indeed. It shows that 'the medical establishment are owned. I'd say most people are just doing a job, not looking at anything beyond their own specialisation. It's so fragmented. When you go and see a specialist, they only know their own little bit of knowledge. It's easy for people to be bulldozed by the likes of Wessely, who is on the Government's payroll and gets funding whenever he wants it. Nobody looks beyond the end of their own nose anymore.

Remember back in the day, when we had all that yuppie flu carry on in the media. Make no mistake, that was intentional. Laying the groundwork for what we have today. There are many people, that I would consider intelligent, that think ME is not a serious illness. Many of them in high up professional positions.
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ME study, the Medical Establishment & the Government 11 Mar 2014 00:45 #25

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As what would have been know as a yuppy in the eighties, a working class boy on the way up, and remembering how much of the late eighties right wing management politics was about the removal of junior management, those people who had worked their way up from the shop floor, which were seen as an impediment to the way senior management wanted to develop enterprise, it makes one wonder.
Looking at industry now which does not tend to have input from from those on the shop floor who know about the manufacturing proses and has replaced that class with a management trained in colleges and universities about management and not craft skills: Was not yuppy flu exactly the right term?
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ME study, the Medical Establishment & the Government 11 Mar 2014 04:31 #26

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Indeed. It shows that 'the medical establishment are owned. I'd say most people are just doing a job, not looking at anything beyond their own specialisation. It's so fragmented. When you go and see a specialist, they only know their own little bit of knowledge.

Exactly...
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ME study, the Medical Establishment & the Government 11 Mar 2014 10:24 #27

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I know people who have cured themselves from ME, using EFT and Matrix Reprinting.

Look into the work of Karl Dawson.
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ME study, the Medical Establishment & the Government 11 Mar 2014 17:55 #28

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jonb wrote:
As what would have been know as a yuppy in the eighties, a working class boy on the way up, and remembering how much of the late eighties right wing management politics was about the removal of junior management, those people who had worked their way up from the shop floor, which were seen as an impediment to the way senior management wanted to develop enterprise, it makes one wonder.
Looking at industry now which does not tend to have input from from those on the shop floor who know about the manufacturing proses and has replaced that class with a management trained in colleges and universities about management and not craft skills: Was not yuppy flu exactly the right term?

I don't know jonb.......... I always saw the word 'yuppie' as a made up term for people that weren't like me anyway :). It's just another name to add to the list..... from wiki:

Over time and in different countries, many names have been associated with the condition(s). Aside from CFS, some other names used include Akureyri disease, benign myalgic encephalomyelitis, chronic fatigue immune dysfunction syndrome, chronic infectious mononucleosis, epidemic myalgic encephalomyelitis, epidemic neuromyasthenia, Iceland disease, myalgic encephalomyelitis, myalgic encephalitis, myalgic encephalopathy, post-viral fatigue syndrome, raphe nucleus encephalopathy, Royal Free disease, Tapanui flu, and yuppie flu (the last considered pejorative).[26][27] Many patients would prefer a different name such as "myalgic encephalomyelitis", believing the name "chronic fatigue syndrome" trivializes the condition, prevents it from being seen as a serious health problem, and discourages research.[15][28][29]

@jhado............ as the study above highlights, unfortunately CFS/ME is an umbrella term - here in the UK anyway. There could be 20 different people all with different illnesses, that have all been given a diagnosis of CFS/ME by their Doctor or Specialist. ME does seem to have a big mind body relationship - unlike a lot of illnesses (edit: actually I think all illness has a mind body relationship). Some find Ashok Gupta's amygdala reprogramming of value. It is geared towards retraining the amydala in the brain to not respond to the signals from the sympathetic nervous system. I don't know that it's a cure but I thnk it helps.
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ME study, the Medical Establishment & the Government 11 Mar 2014 18:24 #29

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The word yuppy was invented to dissociate those individuals, young upwardly mobile, just like in the forties, the authorities word talk about grammar school boys, it stretches back though history, the invention of terms to dismiss people who potentially could threaten those who hold power. Those in charge don't mind the working classes as long as they know their place.
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On the illness itself, I read a long time ago, that after Spanish flu swept through Europe killing more people than in the first world war,a lot of individuals were left with ME like symptoms, the literature of the time is full of references to the mother who took to her bed and although perfectly healthy never did anything again. These are always depicted as lazy people, And in the high unemployment of the inter war era the authorities loved to reference feckless lazy people.
The preference to blame rather than look for a cure looks like a consistent theme.
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ME study, the Medical Establishment & the Government 11 Mar 2014 19:15 #30

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I want to discuss this more, but busy tonight, hopefully tomorrow.
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ME study, the Medical Establishment & the Government 11 Mar 2014 19:45 #31

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@jonb....... "On the illness itself, I read a long time ago, that after Spanish flu swept through Europe killing more people than in the first world war,a lot of individuals were left with ME like symptoms, the literature of the time is full of references to the mother who took to her bed and although perfectly healthy never did anything again. These are always depicted as lazy people, And in the high unemployment of the inter war era the authorities loved to reference feckless lazy people.
The preference to blame rather than look for a cure looks like a consistent theme."



A common word in the 40's and 50's was neurasthesia. Apparently it afflicted nervous and timerous women who were prone to fainting. Of course there's a whole sociological meme about that too :roll: :) .

That's what Simon Wessely et al are aiming to go back to.
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