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The Benefit Scrounger 28 Jun 2017 15:42 #21

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^A brilliant depiction that you have no argument, you can't contend with the issues so purely rely on Jonb is a bad person.
The argument I have used was current in the British labour party, and the Anarchist communities in the thirties when they saw their job (or at least represented themselves as) representing people within society.
It is actually a perfect depiction on how modern thinking has moved that a society should look after its own is at all seen as a contentious issue.
And I think shows perfectly how the manipulation by the establishment has worked on an unquestioning mind.
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The Benefit Scrounger 28 Jun 2017 16:17 #22

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Anyway, back on topic.


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The Benefit Scrounger 28 Jun 2017 16:26 #23

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Bobby Batter wrote:
It's not a thread about society as a whole, or housing as a whole but I have already answered your points to a degree, even though they are off topic.

The premise of the thread is in the opening post, there are people who are scamming the benefit system and taking from the needy, but at the same time they point at immigrants and say 'problem' often the immigrants are honest people that have entered the country legally and are paying not only their own way, but contribute to help others.

So some lazy scamming bastards are stealing money that is allocated for disabled people should they need it, and to distract from their own crimes in society they scapegoat immigrants who are contributing towards the scammers own lazy cheating lifestyles.

Jonb is on the side of the scammers. For him it does not matter who cheats, who steals, who commits horrific crimes in other ways, in his eyes they deserve a better social position in a nation, than an honest immigrant, who does a worthwhile occupation, and lives a legal life without resorting to crime. In other words if a Native paedophile fucks an immigrant child, Jonb supports the native.
Even guilty prisoners if from our society should be dealt with first before outsiders.

Sick, truly sick :facepalm:
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The Benefit Scrounger 28 Jun 2017 16:28 #24

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The Benefit Scrounger 28 Jun 2017 16:34 #25

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Makes me wonder is there are any 'injured back' fraudsters using Truthzone.... Who spend their time pointing at immigrants and yelling 'problem'?


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The Benefit Scrounger 28 Jun 2017 16:45 #26

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https://www.justice.gov.uk/offenders/types-of-offender/foreign
In the last ten years the number of foreign nationals in prison has doubled and now represents over 14% of the total prison population in England and Wales. There are a huge range of nationalities and languages to be considered alongside the cultural and religious diversity that the foreign nationals already bring.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_the_United_Kingdom
At the time of the UK census conducted in April 2001, 8.3 percent of the country's population were foreign-born.[2] This was substantially less than that of major immigration countries such as Australia (23 percent), Canada (19.3 percent) and the USA (12.3 percent).[3] In 2005, the foreign-born population was estimated at 9.1 percent, compared to a European Union average of 8.6 percent.[4] The 2011 census recorded 7,337,139 foreign-born residents in England, corresponding to 13.8 percent of the population.[5] The foreign-born population of Wales was recorded as 167,871 (5.5 percent),[6] Scotland's as 369,284 (7 percent)[7] and Northern Ireland's as 119,186 (6.6 percent),[8] making the total foreign-born population of the UK 7,993,480.[9][10] Figures for each census since 1951 are given in the table below.
A 2010 estimate for the whole of the UK shows that 4.76 million people (7.7 percent) were born outside the EU and 2.24 million (3.6 percent) were born in another EU member state.[11]
The Office for National Statistics produces annual estimates of the size of the UK population by country of birth, based on the Annual Population Survey. The estimates for 2014 show that one in eight (13 percent) of the usual resident population were born overseas.[12]

It is simple in the statistics as well an immigrant in Britain is more likely to become part of the prison population than a native,

13% of the population produces 14% of all prisoners.

Then we can add to that that the figures are different the total population includes British citizens that are foreign born, the prison figures are for those without British nationality so the difference is even more stark.
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The Benefit Scrounger 28 Jun 2017 18:04 #27

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The date on your first link Wednesday, 5 April 2017 but you wrote;
13% of the population produces 14% of all prisoners.

The first figure is from 2014 the second 2017, thus the two you used are irrelevant as the population of UK immigrants would change in three years.You need to use figures from the same year if your going to state statistics. what you've done is say 14% in 2017 in prison population are immigrants, but your figure of 13% as an overall population of immigrants for the UK was for 2014. :iitm:


Anyway, It's not a thread debating whether not there are more immigrants in the prison population than there are immigrants living in the UK as a population overall.

It's a thread about benefit scammers trying to steal the money that is allocated for disabled people, some of which whilst committing their sins blame the problems of the nation on immigration, but you'll find that immigrants in general contribute more than these DLA scroungers.

You don't want to talk about natives that cause crime and steal from disabled people, if a native commits a crime on an immigrant, you still support the native.

Hence, as I said already, you would support a native child molester providing it was an immigrant child that was molested, you would be on the side of the native molester.

It's your sort of twisting of figures and nasty xenophobia that embarrass British people into shame, why do you do this to us, don't you like native Brits, you just want to stick up for the criminal ones, the rest of us are ashamed by them, and by proxy you.
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The Benefit Scrounger 28 Jun 2017 18:43 #28

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clutching at straws.
Don't mention the last line of my post.
You know you have no defence.
Your unwillingness to look at what is going on tells the story.

You made the comparison, between immegrants and citizens in the first post.
And you can't back it up, it seems it came from your pure prejudice, or if not from a nasty agenda.
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The Benefit Scrounger 28 Jun 2017 19:34 #29

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Immigrants are citizens you numpty.

The opening post states some natives cheat the benefit system by pretending they have a disability thus they steal money which is allocated to disabled people, that behaviour is simply far worse than being a law abiding immigrant.

It's backed up with fact.

Your shitty manipulation with immigration figures simple sums up your lies form start to finish, you can't stand the fact the most immigrants are better citizens than any natives who scrounge off of disabled peoples money, by pretending that they are disabled themselves when they are not.

So you prefer criminal natives to law abiding immigrants, that's why you would back a child molesting native providing it was an immigrant child that they raped.

That's where your ideology leads, you can't even admit that benefit scrounging natives are worse citizens than the very immigrants who in the majority pay for the existence of those thieving bastards.

Out of the two groups

1) Any law abiding immigrants
2) Any thieving scrounging criminal and immoral natives.

You prefer group 2) to group 1). That's why you;d back a native paedophile against an immigrant child that they raped.

You're a sick person, that's not meant to be an insult, it's simply the truth, you prefer crime over honesty when the crime is carried out by a native and the honesty is carried out by an immigrant.

You've even surpassed the resident Dolfy worshippers with the level of your bigotry, you're like a petulant child who can't bare to see a fact that suits you not, dear boy.
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The Benefit Scrounger 28 Jun 2017 20:33 #30

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Bobby Batter wrote:
Immigrants are citizens you numpty.

The opening post states some natives cheat the benefit system by pretending they have a disability thus they steal money which is allocated to disabled people, that behaviour is simply far worse than being a law abiding immigrant.

It's backed up with fact.

Your shitty manipulation with immigration figures simple sums up your lies form start to finish, you can't stand the fact the most immigrants are better citizens than any natives who scrounge off of disabled peoples money, by pretending that they are disabled themselves when they are not.

So you prefer criminal natives to law abiding immigrants, that's why you would back a child molesting native providing it was an immigrant child that they raped.

That's where your ideology leads, you can't even admit that benefit scrounging natives are worse citizens than the very immigrants who in the majority pay for the existence of those thieving bastards.

Out of the two groups

1) Any law abiding immigrants
2) Any thieving scrounging criminal and immoral natives.

You prefer group 2) to group 1). That's why you;d back a native paedophile against an immigrant child that they raped.

You're a sick person, that's not meant to be an insult, it's simply the truth, you prefer crime over honesty when the crime is carried out by a native and the honesty is carried out by an immigrant.

You've even surpassed the resident Dolfy worshippers with the level of your bigotry, you're like a petulant child who can't bare to see a fact that suits you not, dear boy.

No all you have given is anecdote, there is a difference, followed abuse.
You have stated a lazy slur which you have failed to substantiate, and it seems that you may well be so pig headed that you will not back down even to your own detriment, so carry on not dealing with the slur and adding others it is no skin off my nose.
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The Benefit Scrounger 28 Jun 2017 23:23 #31

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Well it looks like you've run of steam, I don't believe that you think no natives are claiming disability allowance from pretending to be disabled when they are not, it's a fact, not a slur.

I don't believe that the average immigrant would sink that low.

Judging by your posts as I say;

Out of the two groups

1) Any law abiding immigrants
2) Any thieving scrounging criminal and immoral natives.

You prefer group 2) to group 1). That's why you;d back a native paedophile against an immigrant child that they raped.

Because you think more of native criminals than you do honest immigrants.

This thread is not a debate between immigrants and natives, but as per the opening post and my subsequent posts, the premise is; A native benefit scrounger is of less worth to a society than an honest immigrant who has a profession, and pays their way.

You seem to disagree because you don't like immigrants, but just because you don't like immigrants and want to focus on any wrong doing that some immigrants may have committed. Any reasonable person would find a benefit scrounger who steals money from the fund for disabled people, to be of far less value to society than someone who works as a Doctor or Nurse, in a hospital etc... Regardless if it's the immigrant who is the benefit scammer or the native, in both situations the thief of the disabled funds is the less valuable member of society, even if that thief is a native and the Doctor or Nurse an immigrant.

But according to Jonb a native can act any scumbag way that they like, and they are still more valuable to the society than the immigrant, even though some natives give nothing to it, they just steal from it.

So when the immigrant is the victim and the native is the criminal, Jonb backs the native, no matter what their crime is, as long as they are a native that could be sexually abusing children and he still sees that person as a more valuable member of society than a law abiding immigrant.

The morals of this man are in tatters, is this some sort of Cyber-Heathen logic, or part of a mental breakdown?

You may have the last word, I'm no longer circle jerking your psychosis... :thumbup:
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The Benefit Scrounger 28 Jun 2017 23:38 #32

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^Pathetic.
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The Benefit Scrounger 29 Jul 2017 08:35 #33

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If separation was weak and the sense of responsibility defused there would be nobody to point the finger. If you want change change the face and you will change the image. As long as the part continues to takes for itself against the whole this ugly world view will be inevitable.
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The Benefit Scrounger 29 Jul 2017 17:15 #34

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Five gets you ten that there's more than one here on TZ sucking on their country's welfare pap.
Fair enough, IF they are entitled.
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The Benefit Scrounger 30 Jul 2017 05:29 #35

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The ENTIRE 'royal family' & Co. are the parasite's of mankind. Right at the feet of the Vatican. BOTH are gew to core.
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The Benefit Scrounger 30 Jul 2017 11:36 #36

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The point is that the leadership of modern states, and the structure of modern state are not ours, they merely occupy the areas of our nations.
I prefer to separate myself from the state as much as possible, but being a drain on its resources is a strategy that may also have a positive result.
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The Benefit Scrounger 30 Jul 2017 12:35 #37

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The person is a complicated thing so complications in its society will become inevitable and a necessary corollary. The subject shapes the object and the object shapes the subject. So if leaders use and abuse their subjects as a means to their own ends there is bound to be a devide where strife, contention and degradation occurs.
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The Benefit Scrounger 30 Jul 2017 12:43 #38

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Your quite opinionated about a thing you tell me I should not look at because it is entirely false, are you not?
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The Benefit Scrounger 30 Jul 2017 14:15 #39

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jonb wrote:
The point is that the leadership of modern states, and the structure of modern state are not ours, they merely occupy the areas of our nations.
I prefer to separate myself from the state as much as possible, but being a drain on its resources is a strategy that may also have a positive result.

There was an asian BLM booster on TV saying much the same thing on TV yesterday morning after the night before's mini-riot in north London.. quote
"Young black men have to carry knives because they deal drugs and they deal drugs because they do not want to be a part of the system."
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The Benefit Scrounger 30 Jul 2017 14:46 #40

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The reason the system is endeavouring to remove the indigenous folk is to create more compliant slaves, I am not surprised some of these slaves feel they are being used. However neither the leaders or the imported slave labour is part of my frith.
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