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Huh? 20 Aug 2017 01:09 #41

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but what is your take on the vid Novum? here is cantwell with the full interview he gave to a woman who looks kind of (if you like women in glasses) cute but is a beeach - she or Vice News edited the interview as per usual to cast cantwell in the stereotypical hollywood far right

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he does 3 shows a week on radicalagenda.com - not always worth listening too but the one i posted is interesting due to its relevance to events in Charlottesville and how most media wants to portray a movement which includes many different people as NAZI or RACIST ) sorrry WASSIST)


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Huh? 20 Aug 2017 01:31 #42

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Im not sure what to think Volt, his behaviour is rather convenient vs for example spencer who is always wearing his nice trousers and pullovers rather than showing how many weapons you can possibly stash on your person.

But this view is perhaps getting antiquated... theyre going to call him a nazi anyway so may as well be one... thats what Anglin does.

I'll check out that podcast... i have watched the Vice piece and the vid tackler posted in their entirety.

As ive said, the alt right at its core appears to be more about liberty than nazism, but the media et all will make sure it appears to be the other way around, there is no escaping that.
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Huh? 20 Aug 2017 02:03 #43

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blah blah blah, says the cry baby asrehole...... :lmao:

He's a fukin nazi. Or at least he pretends to be one.

It's got fuck all to do with the media, they were marching through a town holding flaming torches yelling ''Jews will not replace us'' etc etc... lol carrying shields with swastikas and Sunwheels, and they are not Nazis lol lol lol lol

Oh no, don't tell me there weren't doing any of that, that was just media lies?
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Huh? 20 Aug 2017 02:20 #44

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''We're not NeoNazis we're advocates of free speech, it's just that we like to brandish NeoNAzi symbols and yell about Jews. That don't mean we're NeoNAzis though it's just the fashion of free speech advocates''

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Huh? 20 Aug 2017 02:25 #45

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novum wrote:
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A Trump supporter wearing an Israeli flag intends to join an Alt Right free speech rally but ends up in the counter protest by mistake, and is protected by a white guy with a Fashy haircut wearing a Black Lives Matter T-shirt.

Is there actually any video footage of the Alt Right demonstration in Boston, I want to see how the Israeli flag is accepted by the NeoNazi free speech brigade?

Israel is a funny one because on both sides you have those for and against.

I mentioned Rebel Media because a number of their peeps are openly pro-Israel, eg Gavin McInnes

Frothy, if you look closely at the core of the Alt-Right, eg Richard Spencer, theyre not about supporting Trump.. theyre actually about being trump, ie getting into power, not just being rally organisers and internet shitlords.

Trump is just closer to them than a Hillary, at least outwardly. Inwardly, i think most of them know he is more of the same when it comes to the crunch.

Do you think Identitarians are neo-nazis too? They openly state they dont want fascism etc or NSDAP style of governance. The alt right leaders also have a lot of overlap with libertarians, id say more so than with mussolini or hitler.... despite the internet memes.

Bullshit They know they have no chance of ''being Trump'' so they support him in the hope that he will support them, it's why Trump hesitates to be critical of them.

Walking about a selected town at night carrying torches and yelling about Jews whilst brandishing NeoNazi symbolism is not an example of free speech as much as it's an example of being a NeoNazi knucklehead.
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Huh? 20 Aug 2017 02:39 #46

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What do you think Trump would have said if the car driver in Charlottesville had been a Muslim, and the excuse given by other Muslims ws, someone hit the back of his car with a bit of wood?

Perhaps he'd repeat the fake historical narrative about bullets being dipped into pigs blood being the answer to radical Islam.
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Huh? 20 Aug 2017 02:39 #47

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Well i politely disagree, ive read and heard Spencer say it more than once... if / when we get power we will do so and so.

In other words, he is saying they dont have political power.... or you could look at it like he has greater aspirations than being a Trump cheerleader, I think both hold true.

I dont think they think they have no chance of increasing their power.

Same could be said for a number of other alt-right figures... they dont want to stop at Trump, its more that they see him as closer to where they want to be than having Mrs Murderer in charge.
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Huh? 20 Aug 2017 02:49 #48

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Bobby Batter wrote:
''We're not NeoNazis we're advocates of free speech, it's just that we like to brandish NeoNAzi symbols and yell about Jews. That don't mean we're NeoNAzis though it's just the fashion of free speech advocates''

:D

"Nazi's" , at least in the vast majority of peoples current commonly held position on the aforementioned, are people who want National Socialism aka Fascism, and most are of the opinion that they want to put 6 gorillion jews in the oven given the chance.

The alt-right, and identitarians for that matter, arent necessarily proponents of National Socialism, identitarians for one will tell you this, and many people in the alt right also do not push NS.

Nor do they want to gas the jews, they just dont want to be manipulated by the ones who have an agenda.

"Jews will not replace us" is the inevitable response to the kalergi guys, many of whom just happen to be chosen ones who fear that if they dont get rid of whitey they might get bunged in the oven again for the six millionth time.



Saying, no Mr Ignatiev, we wont yield to your plans, and showing him and others that, is not the same as wanting to bung them in the oven.

If i dont let a Nigerian scammer scam me for example, that does not mean i want to put him in a camp then zyklon-B him.

Im just not letting him manipulate me.

So if i say "nigerian scammer wont scam me" ... does that make me a NAZI??
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Huh? 20 Aug 2017 02:54 #49

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^ They were matching under flaming torches holding NeoNazi symbols yelling about Jews.^

I could start a party and state if/when we get into power, but that does not mean that I really think that 'we' ever will.

What they're doing is banking on Trump supporting them, so that they can yell about Jews and immigrants, and Trump can rely on their support.

They know they will never get into power, in fact if they went to march a big city in the US they would need the entire police department to be on duty to prevent them form getting their arses kicked left right and centre.

It's a tiny tiny bunch of bigoted twats, if they think they're going to get into power they are mentally deranged. So because Trump don't like Muslims migrating, nor Mexicans and who know what else, they have common ground.

If they don't like Jews, they ought say fuck Trump we oppose you, but they don't, coz either they really like Jews, or they are supporting Trump in the hope that their marches will be supported by the government..

Only a complete imbecile would think the Alt Right, without Trump would get into power, he is their power, past that, they are pretty much nothing, except a series of memes on Twitter, and a NeoNazi style march.

if that's the 'superior race' the Jews have nothing to worry about, at all. :lmao:
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Huh? 20 Aug 2017 02:56 #50

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Bobby Batter wrote:
What do you think Trump would have said if the car driver in Charlottesville had been a Muslim, and the excuse given by other Muslims ws, someone hit the back of his car with a bit of wood?

Perhaps he'd repeat the fake historical narrative about bullets being dipped into pigs blood being the answer to radical Islam.

Im not a Trump nut hugger so i dont really care. He isnt going to denounce his fan base now is he, we both know this.

The problem for Trump and his masters is when the day comes that even a Trump isnt enough to appease the discontent. :)
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Huh? 20 Aug 2017 03:06 #51

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Bobby Batter wrote:
^ They were matching under flaming torches holding NeoNazi symbols yelling about Jews.^

Doesnt mean the alt-right wants to stick them in a nice hot oven.

Jews have been denounced in (and even in a number of cases booted from) many countries in the past, without being turned into lampshades.

Infact, theyve been denounced and stripped of powers without being turned into soapy bars more times than being turned into soapy bars.

Bobby Batter wrote:
I could start a party and state if/when we get into power, but that does not mean that I really think that 'we' ever will.

What they're doing is banking on Trump supporting them, so that they can yell about Jews and immigrants, and Trump can rely on their support.

The know they will never get into power, in fact if they went to march a big city in the US they would need the entire police department to be on duty to prevent them form getting their arses kicked left right and centre.

It's a tiny tiny bunch of bigoted twats, if they think they're going to get into power they are mentally deranged. So because Trump don't like Muslims migrating, nor Mexicans and who know what else, they have common ground.

If they don't like Jews, they ought say fuck Trump we oppose you, but they don't, coz either they really like Jews, or that are supporting Trump in the hope that their Marches will be permitted.

Only a complete imbecile would think the Alt Right, without Trump would get into power, he is their power, pass that, they are pretty much nothing, except a series of memes on Twitter, and a NeoNazi style march.

if that's the 'superior race' the Jews have nothing to worry about, at all. :lmao:

Every empire has had its issues so we shall see.

Like ive said, ive watched enough of the alt-right to clearly see that a Trump presidency is merely just the beginning of what they want.
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Huh? 20 Aug 2017 03:18 #52

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They don't seem to realise that even if people agree with their right to demonstrate or rally, that does not mean that such people agree with their ideology, so people will always feel compelled to oppose them, not to shut them up, but to demonstrate that they don't agree.

In other words, if the rest of the population simply ignored the Unite the Right rallies, it leaves the Unite the Right thinking the lack of opposition = agreement with their ideology.

I don't think anyone believes that the leaders of the Alt Right intend to gas Jews etc... But people in the main, oppose NeoNazis.

If you take a look at the symbols that were on display within the Unite the Right rally, that says it all. I'm not saying they are all NeoNazis but the ones who are something else other than KKK or NeoNazis are in cahoots with them at least on certain themes.

I can't see it any other way, a whole bunch of people, carry flaming torches, yelling about Jews, brandishing NeoNazi symbols are complaining because people are calling them Nazis.... :dunno:

If it quacks like a duck.... however I would say NeoNazis rather than NS (nazi).

Being a supporter of the Alt Right, what would you like them to do with Jews, should they ever (imo never) get into power?
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Huh? 20 Aug 2017 03:28 #53

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Well the rise of nationalism is inevitable frothy, its happened in eastern europe, southern europe to an extent, its begun in the USA and it wont slow down regardless of the neonazi labels.

The issue with Charlottesville for the alt-right is that do we really have free speech anymore? And if we dont, what kind of precedent does that set?

The issue isnt that theyre crying about being called nazis, Christopher Cantwell wasnt crying about being called a nazi im sure, im guessing here but id say he was emotional because he believes in liberty and was in a position where we was possibly going to be arrested for doing what he thinks is defending it... i can understand people getting emotional if they think the state is about to put them in a cage for talking.

The issue is about freedom of speech.

The nazi smear thing is starting to get overcooked, those who over-use it better be careful.... its starting to lose its magical powers, especially with the younger lot.
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Being a supporter of the Alt Right, what would you like them to do with Jews, should they ever (imo never) get into power?

Im not a supporter of the alt right as much as i am opposed to globalist think tanks meddling in everybodys affairs, which they do now, right down to local level.

If aspects of the meddling i see occurring align with elements of the alt-rights observances then so be it.

Its not about doing anything to any group of people for me, its about resisting the agendas of the teeny minority who want to manipulate the majority.

If people dont allow themselves to be manipulated, those wanting to do the manipulation are rendered unable to do so.
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Huh? 20 Aug 2017 04:00 #55

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Christopher Cantwell was crying because he thinks the police are going to shoot him, he's too scared to leave his dwelling, maybe he should have thought how a load of knuckle heads dressed up as some sort of Nazi Vikings with shields, clubs, flaming torches might have frightened some of the residents of Charlottesville, no?

He's like a crybaby NeoNazi bully he didn't like getting his comeuppance, fuck him.

I don't agree that nationalism is on the rise, I simply think it's got more publicity since Trump got elected,

The problem with nationalism is that Nazi Germany is often used as an example of it, but when they moved into Holland, France, Belgium, Austria, etc etc, it became International socialism, or we could simply just say Communism. Or at least globalism, so don't go thinking Nationalism is an answer to globalism.

The spiral effect of Nationalism if it does not export itself internationally like Hitler's Germany, then it will spiral inwards. So the UK would spilt up, the US could spilt into separate states, etc etc... which is bound to appear on certain agendas.

So for Nationalism as an idea to work, what everyone in the world must return to the place where their DNA, suggests, countries will split into subsections, the world will become less connected, and each province have its own ways.

Do you think that's what the Alt Right want, or do they simply want to kick out the 'wetbacks, niggers and Jews'?
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Huh? 20 Aug 2017 04:21 #56

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I do think the alt right want the united states to be more like the united states of the near-past in a demographic sense yes.

And there has been 'nationalism' on this earth for a long time, ethno-states are nothing new, there wasnt a george soros etc saying people need to be replaced and the populations need to keep growing. They say this because they have an agenda, whereas regular people dont care if the population of a province or nation falls.

Populations have ebbed and flowed for a long time, and again have been much lower than they are today, and nobody was saying 'we need more people in so and so place' ... its an agenda now so thats what they are saying.

As for scaring americans, it aint the UK, many concealed carry over there, and tiki torches arent going to scare anyone in comparison vs what people know they know (and cant always see)
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So you think that any black or Jewish people in Charlottesville would not have been frightened by a mob of right wingers carrying flaming torches, brandishing NeoNazi symbols and yelling stuff about jews and claiming to own the streets where they march?

And now fuckface is crying because he thinks the police have a warrant for his arrest and they'll shoot him, in other words ''help me police I'm scared, sniff sniff''.

The issue you're missing with Nationalism Macca, is where does one draw the line, let's say each state in the US wants to be a separate nation, so the US as a nation is dissolved, even within each state their might be different ethnic groups and forms of religion and culture, so we just keep on fragmenting in the name of anti-globalism, until it ends up with each person in their own little nation, who have to trade with their neighbours nations for supplies and rights of passage etc..

it seems to me that what the Alt Right want is to halt immigration and start deporting Jews, Muslims, and whatnot... That's not really nationalism, it's racialism.

Perhaps better explained, if I have a nation and I don't do international affairs just keep my nation to itself as much as is practical to do so, I might still include Jews, blacks, Muslims and whatnot, if I think they improve me nation, so I don't see how being a nationalist means anything but having the best for your nation, I don't see Jews being bad for a nation, not any other kind of people, a healthy mix of ideas is surely the best.

If you own a section of jungle, well surely you want your section to thrive with a variety of life, not just one kind, there seems to be a misconception that not being globalist but rather nationalist means that you would not favour immigration, but if you want the best for your nation, why not?

I don't see how keeping different creeds of people apart and/or complaining about other creeds makes a nation better, so I'd say that the Alt Right are making an arse of their nation now, I shudder to think how it would be if they got in power, perhaps the police would be wearing longhorn helmets.

In fact the USA is a result of globalism, so how they have the cheek to complain about the very thing that created the existence of their nation if just flat out crazy and very small minded, do you really want those people overseeing a nation.... :iitm:
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Bobby Batter wrote:
So you think that any black or Jewish people in Charlottesville would not have been frightened by a mob of right wingers carrying flaming torches, brandishing NeoNazi symbols and yelling stuff about jews and claiming to own the streets where they march?

Perhaps, but would they be as frightened over a rally as perhaps people are frightened in most american cities when violent gang members are carrying weapons, or BLM is rioting, or palestinians are being ethnically cleansed so Rothschild could have his israel.

Bobby Batter wrote:
The issue you're missing with Nationalism Macca, is where does one draw the line, let's say each state in the US wants to be a separate nation, so the US as a nation is dissolved, even within each state their might be different ethnic groups and forms of religion and culture, so we just keep on fragmenting in the name of anti-globalism, until it ends up with each person in their own little nation, who have to trade with their neighbours nations for supplies and rights of passage etc..

it seems to me that what the Alt Right want is to halt immigration and start deporting Jews, Muslims, and whatnot... That's not really nationalism, it's racialism.

Perhaps better explained, if I have a nation and I don't do international affairs just keep my nation to itself as much as is practical to do so, I might still include Jews, blacks, Muslims and whatnot, if I think they improve me nation, so I don't see how being a nationalist means anything but having the best for your nation, I don't see Jews being bad for a nation, not any other kind of people, a healthy mix of ideas is surely the best.

If you own a section of jungle, well surely you want your section to thrive with a variety of life, not just one kind, there seems to be a misconception that not being globalist but rather nationalist means that you would not favour immigration, but if you want the best for your nation, why not?

I don't see how keeping different creeds of people apart and/or complaining about other creeds makes a nation better, so I'd say that the Alt Right are making an arse of their nation now, I shudder to think how it would be if they got in power, perhaps the police would be wearing longhorn helmets.

In fact the USA is a result of globalism, so how they have the cheek to complain about the very thing that created the existence of their nation if just flat out crazy and very small minded, do you really want those people overseeing a nation.... :iitm:

Well the demographics during the rise of the USA as a power have been overwhelmingly majority white european, along with the founding principles and so on, that is their argument, and that the majority of the technological advancement has come from those of european and british isles ancestry.

The alt right has drawn a line about which peoples they want at the crux of their ethno-state ideals, they implicitly state the various european provinces and the british isles in one of their manifestos iirc.

Some are speculating that people could be being riled into an eventual civil war to destroy the united states, i dont know.

Its much more complicated of a situation in places like the USA than it is perhaps for ethno-states that have been somewhat homogenous for thousands of years... while europe has had its clashes and various invasions, a good number of the various european tribes and languages are quite intact and distinct to this day..

my point here being that blacks and hispanics for example have had more of a hand in contributing to the USA then they have had in many parts of europe, i cant see how the alt-right or anyone else could 'unpick' such a situation in the USA very easily...

perhaps i havent heard enough from them about that and they do have their ideas about how they would like to progress with their vision, id assume one of those policies would be to curb new immigration asap i suppose.

If you look at europe though a good number of ethno-states there are quite reasonably homogenous, especially towards the east and south, western europe less so - in recent times.

These ethno-tribes got this far, to the present time, after millenia of staying more or less homogenous.... and while leftists will put up maps of the borders changing and so on, this is because of various invasions, however the local ethnicities, customs and languages have not been eroded even after thousands of years in a number of places, and its easy to see that just by looking at peoples appearance, there is diversity as you move across europe.

So europe for example to remain ethno-states would just mean curbing immigration in many countries, again moreso east and south... whereas not sure what they can do in the US, one thing they probably want to do is raise prospects for whites and hence keep the numbers in the majority, which they are now, up close to 70 percent still.
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