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Huh? 20 Aug 2017 13:06 #61

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Perhaps, but would they be as frightened over a rally as perhaps people are frightened in most american cities when violent gang members are carrying weapons, or BLM is rioting, or palestinians are being ethnically cleansed so Rothschild could have his israel.

I'm not arguing other than that, I'm arguing that the crybaby Fascist, deserves no sympathy for being frightened, after frightening other people, I would say the same for a crybaby in such circumstances for the other situations that you mentioned.

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Well the demographics during the rise of the USA as a power have been overwhelmingly majority white european, along with the founding principles and so on, that is their argument, and that the majority of the technological advancement has come from those of european and british isles ancestry.

The alt right has drawn a line about which peoples they want at the crux of their ethno-state ideals, they implicitly state the various european provinces and the british isles in one of their manifestos iirc.

Some are speculating that people could be being riled into an eventual civil war to destroy the united states, i dont know.

Its much more complicated of a situation in places like the USA than it is perhaps for ethno-states that have been somewhat homogenous for thousands of years... while europe has had its clashes and various invasions, a good number of the various european tribes and languages are quite intact and distinct to this day..

my point here being that blacks and hispanics for example have had more of a hand in contributing to the USA then they have had in many parts of europe, i cant see how the alt-right or anyone else could 'unpick' such a situation in the USA very easily...

perhaps i havent heard enough from them about that and they do have their ideas about how they would like to progress with their vision, id assume one of those policies would be to curb new immigration asap i suppose.

If you look at europe though a good number of ethno-states there are quite reasonably homogenous, especially towards the east and south, western europe less so - in recent times.

These ethno-tribes got this far, to the present time, after millenia of staying more or less homogenous.... and while leftists will put up maps of the borders changing and so on, this is because of various invasions, however the local ethnicities, customs and languages have not been eroded even after thousands of years in a number of places, and its easy to see that just by looking at peoples appearance, there is diversity as you move across europe.

So europe for example to remain ethno-states would just mean curbing immigration in many countries, again moreso east and south... whereas not sure what they can do in the US, one thing they probably want to do is raise prospects for whites and hence keep the numbers in the majority, which they are now, up close to 70 percent still.

I think the best the Alt Right can hope for is a slowing down on immigration.

I don't think we're having the same conversation, just sort of having alternative turns at posting about the Alt Right situation.
I'm arguing that whenever nationalism is on the agenda it has no boundary, for example in the UK there is a county called Cornwall where some residents want it to be separate from England, and people who want Ireland, Scotland, Wales, to be completely their own nations, there are people in the highland Islands of Scotland who want to be separate from Scotland etc etc etc... There are two factions in Spain who want to be independent from Spain But none of these ideas of nationalism include bunging out Muslims, Jews, or whatever else.

So I'm saying to be a nationalist does not have to have anything to do with being racist or not wanting other races mixing etc etc...So what the Alt Right are is not nationalists but racists, they don't like Jews, Muslims and whatnot in their nation, but it's not like they want to be independent from globalism, their nation is the present master of globalism, it's just that they don't like blacks, Jews, Muslims, in their nation, they're not anti-globalist, they're anti multiculturalist, they don't want to be independent from their own nations globalist ideas, they just don't like blacks, Muslims, or Jews, Mexicans being around.

So it's not nationalism, it's not anti-globalism, it's xenophobia and racism, the rest of the clap trap about being a patriot or advocating for free speech is a means to an end for their racist agenda.

Take a look at the numbers that recently turned out in Boston, it will give you a clue as to where the Alt Right really are, and that's a city that has been attacked by 'Muslims' so if anything the Alt right would expect a good turn out, but guess what, beyond a handful of rednecks and racists, the vast majority of the USA are against the Alt Right, they don't want to be associated with the KKK or NeoNazis, even Trump knows that.
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Huh? 20 Aug 2017 14:01 #62

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Id say the majority even today arent very pleased with the immigration situation, the black crime stat situation and also this latest trend of monument removal. People dont fall for the old tricks, they can be patriots without the nazi slur sticking.

From the looks of Charlottesville, the antifa BLM turn out was even lower , some mightve even been actors for hire if those ads were true? I guess that could be said for both sides though, some of the skinhead goons mightve been provocateurs, who knows.

Back to your use of certain terms well they use the term etho-state or ethno-nationalism, of course in new speak thats also labelled racist and xenophobic, but if youre japanese its ok to have an ethno-state, if you are israel, same deal, or china, or african countries, its not deemed so non-diverse that we need to ship other ethnicities in to 'sort it out' ... so its only the white majority nations who's white population are deemed racist for wanting to stay somewhat homogenous, and on top of all that, whites are a global minority as it is, but hey they are the ones touted for more diversity.

So there is a thing called etho-nationalism and many countries are ethno-nationalist right now. They are a nation with borders, and the majority of the population is a homogenous ethnicity.

And one could argue its less racist to have respect for the various diversities that exist, less racist to want to preserve that diversity, and less racist to not want to reduce and eventually eliminate that diverstiy.

Dont you ever consider that the toffs who run the show wont be partaking in diversity, they just want to rule over everyone else and convince the serfs they should partake?

The elite are the racists, they are the destroyers of diversity, they dont want various ethnicities to exist and are doing all they can to try put an end to it.

Id even go as far as saying they are trying to control humans as though they are livestock, they have breeding programs on their minds, they are the ones whos' heads are fucked up, but because they have the money and the means, they can create situations where masses of people are displaced and also funded to move about.

Heres a reminder of sarkozy talking about their breeding program for the serfs, id expect people to resent it once they catch on, and thats whats happened to an extent already, and awareness seems to be spreading.

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Huh? 21 Aug 2017 10:39 #63

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There's a strong link between crime and poverty/downtroddeness.

Japan has had a very strict (closed) past with certain dynasties, not helped by two cities being wiped towards the end of WW2.

The USA however is built on migration, it could be argued that Mexicans were there first, Much of the business in the USA has gained from (black) slavery. So it could be argued that blacks have as much right to be there as whites.

In fact it was the elites who moved over there and established the land, the empires, an families of the rich in Europe, so that's what the USA is, within that context to then start yelling about blacks, Muslims, Jews, Mexicans, is a bit rich.

The Jews are vanishing from the USA anyway
In the 1940s, Jews comprised 3.7% of the national population. Today, at about 6.5 million,[1] the population is 2% of the national total—and shrinking as a result of smaller family sizes and interfaith marriages resulting in nonobservance. The largest population centers are the metropolitan areas of New York (2.1 million in 2000), Los Angeles (668,000), Miami (331,000), Philadelphia (285,000), Chicago (265,000) and Boston (254,000).[2]
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So think that over, if the Jews are doing xyz to damage 'whitey' how come they're diminishing themselves, so it could be argued that 'whites' and other creeds are doing what you suggest to 'Jews' or are you arguing that 'Jews' are damaging themselves on purpose?

Much of the black crime is dealt out with blacks on blacks in black neighbourhoods, they are not born criminals,

The best thing the Alt Right can do is pull their money together, go buy an Island and live on it, keep it single ethnicity.

I see my kin, as people who share my ideas, have things in common with, view the world in a similar way to myself, problem with the Alt Right, they want it all ways, they want to judge people by their ethnicity but they also want to judge people by their world views i.e BLM/Antifa/Communists/Liberals etc etc...

So once they have (in the Alt Right Utopia) ousted all the ethnic diversity, they will then start on Communists, Anti-Facists, and other political sections, then onto religious sections of society, and they won't stop until they have a nation of Alt Right mind sets,

They want a white Christian nation and nothing else, but that in itself if a form of globalism because they have imported a religion from Judea,which was passed along by the ethnically diverse Roman Empire into Europe and so-forth...

So all they want to do is ethnically cleanse their quarter of globalism, or rather they want blacks, Jews, Mexicans, and whatnot to know their place and be second class citizens with 'whites' on top, as if that is not already the case?

Just think about it, what the Alt Right want as a utopia, compared to what they have now, the USA is still run by whites, they just don't like to see other creeds seeking empowerment, they want to keep them suppressed, so it's more to do with ethnic suppression in this context that fighting globalism, it;s quite bizarre imo that they have chosen an elitist foreign religion as a means to guide their lives, but they don't want foreigners to migrate to their nation.

It would not seem quite so bizarre imo if the Alt Right were more like the Japanese and had their own ethnic religion and moral guidelines, in fact according to the narrative of Jesus (the sand nigger) the Alt Right are not being good people. Do you think Jesus and his disciples would have marched the streets of Nazareth yelling about Jews, blacks, Communists, Anti-Fascists, Muslims, Mexicans, land ownership and whatnot. I don't ever recall that in the NT.

According to the Alt Right, if Jesus came back to the Earth he would not get into America. :dunno:
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4 Reasons Why Richard Spencer Is A Racist Leftist

1. He badmouths capitalism regularly and promotes Bernie Sanders-style healthcare.

Spencer spouts common leftist mantras, such as: capitalism is evil and exploitative, and big corporations are out to get the little guy. While Spencer does not explicitly acknowledge it, he is a socialist at heart, even advocating that the Right should adopt most of Bernie Sanders’ platform on universal healthcare and other economic issues.

2. He believes individualism and freedom are stupid ideas.

The American right’s ideology is predicated on the freedom of the individual to grow and thrive on his/her own without government intervention. The left, lacking faith in individualism, tends to think people need their hands held by the state and their freedoms restricted. Spencer stated at a recent speaking event at Auburn University that individualism and freedom were stupid concepts. He offers little rationale for his views, which could stem from his belief in racial collectivism.

3. He praises big government programs on a variety of issues.

Along with his advocacy of universal healthcare, Spencer offers big government programs to reinvent public transportation, solve climate issues, and forgive student debt. Even if any of these programs helped anything, which is doubtful, where would the money come from? Presumably higher taxes and higher deficits.

4. It’s a tactic of the left to play identity politics.

The right accepts and celebrates the idea that American and western culture is the greatest culture in the world. We are happy to encourage well-meaning and legal foreigners to assimilate into our culture in order for them to enjoy the benefits of pursing the American ideal. Richard Spencer, on the other hand, rejects the possibility that people either want to or should integrate with other cultures, as cultures tend to oppress each other. So in response to the left’s hard playing of minority racial grievances, Spencer uses the exact same logic to promote white racial grievances.
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TORONTO, Aug. 22, 2017 /CNW/ - A Canadian Holocaust historian has uncovered evidence that Nazi SS Chief Heinrich Himmler was deceived into ending the Final Solution in November, 1944—nearly six months before VE Day—thereby sparing as many as 300,000 Jews.

In a new book, In the Name of Humanity (Allen Lane/Penguin Random House Canada, August 22, 2017), Toronto-based historian Max Wallace documents the secret negotiations between Himmler, the architect of the Nazi genocide, and a Swiss rescue committee led by an Orthodox Jewish woman, Recha Sternbuch, and her husband Isaac. Together, they enlisted the former President of Switzerland, Jean-Marie Musy, to negotiate with Himmler to save the remaining Jews of Europe.

In autumn, 1944, with the Nazis facing imminent defeat, Musy and the Sternbuch committee — abetted by the Vatican and western intelligence — took advantage of Himmler's desperate desire to forge a compromise peace with the West so that Germany and the Allies could turn against Stalin to defeat Bolshevism.

Cultivating his delusion, Musy met with Himmler in early November 1944 and convinced him that the Allies would be open to a separate peace with Germany but only if the Nazis ended the exterminations.

Wallace discovered a cable from the Sternbuchs dated November 20, 1944 in the archives of a New York-based Orthodox Jewish organization revealing that less than three weeks after meeting Himmler, Musy had secured a promise from the SS chief to "cease extermination in concentration camps." On November 22, a second cable reveals that the Vatican had received a promise that the "slaughters will cease." Three days later, Himmler ordered the destruction of the Auschwitz-Birkenau murder apparatus and issued a decree prohibiting "the further killing of Jews."

Historians had long assumed the Nazis destroyed the crematoria and gas chambers to hide the evidence of their crimes ahead of the approaching Russian forces. But these cables — along with declassified documents discovered in the archives of the War Refugee Board — reveal that the order was almost certainly linked to these negotiations.

Max Wallace is a New York Times bestselling author and journalist. From 1996-2000, Wallace worked for Steven Spielberg's Shoah Foundation documenting the video testimonies of Holocaust survivors. He later served as the Executive Director of the Anne and Max Bailey Centre for Holocaust Studies.

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Catholic priest resigns after revealing he was a cross-burning member of the KKK
'While 40 years have passed, I must say this: I’m sorry,' William Aitcheson writes



A Catholic priest has stepped down after revealing that he was a member of the Ku Klux Klan before joining the church.

William Aitcheson, a priest for the Roman Catholic Diocese of Arlington, Virginia, announced his leave of absence in an editorial for the Arlington Catholic Herald.

“When I think back on burning crosses, a threatening letter, and so on, I feel as though I am speaking of somebody else,” he wrote. "It’s hard to believe that was me.”


The 62-year-old said he had joined the Klan as an “impressionable young man” who was “in no way practising my faith”.

According to the Washington Post, Mr Aitcheson was a leader of the Robert E Lee Lodge of the Maryland Knights of the KKK in the 1970s.

The group, which boasted about a dozen members, was allegedly planning to bomb the homes of black people and the offices of the NAACP in Prince George's, Maryland.

Police officers who searched Mr Aitcheson’s home at the time found nine pounds of black powder, weapons and bomb parts.

“While 40 years have passed, I must say this: I’m sorry,” Mr Aitcheson wrote. “To anyone who has been subjected to racism or bigotry, I am sorry. I have no excuse, but I hope you will forgive me.”

Mr Aitcheson credited his change of heart to “a lot of soul searching" and a return to Catholicism. He was ordained in 1988 and served at churches in Nevada, Maryland, and Virginia, according to church officials. He most recently worked as an assistant to the pastor at St Leo the Great in Fairfax City.

“We must condemn, at every opportunity, the hatred and vile beliefs of the KKK and other white supremacist organisations,” he wrote on Monday. “What they believe directly contradicts what we believe as Americans and what we, as Catholics, hold dear.”

The priest’s admission comes on the heels of a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, where members of the KKK and other hate groups rallied to protest the removal of a Confederate statue. Three people were killed and dozens were injured in connection with the event.

Mr Aitcheson said the rally reminded him of his time in the KKK – a time he would have preferred to forget. But he warned readers against erasing past mistakes from their memories.

“[W]hile I firmly believe God forgave me — as he forgives anyone who repents and asks for forgiveness — forgetting what I did would be a mistake,” he wrote. “Those mistakes have emboldened me in my journey to follow the God who yearns to give us his grace and redemption.”
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Pope Francis has called on world leaders to do more to help refugees and migrants, in an attempt to put pressure on politicians to improve what he called the “lamentable” situation facing people fleeing conflict.

His intervention came as the Vatican published a detailed policy document outlining how states should approach the refugee crisis. It calls for migrants and refugees to be given more support at every stage of their journey, including in the countries they eventually arrive in, and proposes creating humanitarian corridors for people trying to escape war.

States must also do more to help refugees into work and education, Pope Francis said, as he called on wealthier nations to support developing countries that are bearing the brunt of the refugee crisis.
Countries’ approach to migrants should be summarised as “to welcome, to protect, to promote and to integrate,” he added.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ppeo-francis-refugees-migrants-more-help-politicians-governments-europe-mediterranean-a7904341.html


How does that sit with the resident Catholic refugee haters I wonder... :dunno:
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