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TOPIC: A Pathological Look at Neurotypical Behaviour

A Pathological Look at Neurotypical Behaviour 29 Sep 2017 10:16 #1

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When you read about autism, you typically read about it as a pathology. Autistic people are viewed as being normal people with pathological deviations from the norm. Every so often you will come across an article that delineates a few of the special abilities of people on the spectrum, but even in doing so, it comes across as “well, at least there are a few positive things that come out of this tragedy.”

Autism is a structural variation in the brain’s architecture that gives rise to differences in processing and in different abilities. One may even argue that it gives rise to a different kind of mind. The vast majority of those people are in the “mild” end of the spectrum, though a great deal of focus is on the “extreme” end, with those who often cannot speak and seem to be particularly mentally disabled. This focus further pathologizes the spectrum precisely because it does not fully or even properly represent the reality for most people with autism.

To fully understand my point, I want to treat those not on the spectrum as though autism were the norm and what we now call neurotypical behavior were the minority. That is, I want to treat neurotypical people the way they treat people on the autism spectrum, from the perspective of someone on the spectrum. Because, from our point of view, you are full of deficits.

The Pathology
Irrational behaviors are one of the primary aspects of neurotypical people. Very often decisions are made without a great deal of thought or, certainly, research. This is especially true of their opinions. Whereas a sensible autistic person will do a great deal of research before developing an opinion or coming up with a proposed solution, neurotypicals have been observed to have an immediate opinion on things without, apparently, knowing the first thing about the topic. This is different from the kinds of errors autistics made from managing to miss something in their extensive research; rather, the neurotypicals carelessly won’t do any research at all before making a decision. And if they do any research, it will be at best a truncated version, as if they are impatient to come up with any answer at all rather than to make sure they have the right one.

It seems that a strong reliance on emotions is a typical reason for this immediate, almost knee-jerk, way of making a decision. As a result, it is not uncommon for them to agree with a solution that sounds good, sometimes regardless of the overwhelming evidence against the proposal, rather than something that has a track record of actually working. This seems to especially be the case in the areas of economics, the social sciences, and government. While this same tendency does allow them to respond more quickly to others, sometimes that is done at the expense of properly assessing the social situation. Fortunately, they do seem to have a particularly strong ability to make that proper assessment, so we must admit that in this particular case their pathological tendency toward immediate conclusions is often beneficial.

Having said that, there are some very strong negatives of that ability that seem to be combined with a kind of empathy that makes them more likely to identify more with people like themselves than with different people. While we autistics have a tendency to not be judgmental or biased, neurotypicals are terribly judgmental and biased. They judge people on things like race, sex, gender, deviations from the way they themselves think, culture, religion, and pretty much any difference one could possibly imagine, often to the point of hating members of other groups. Some autistics who have been raised with these people have learned these behaviors themselves, even though they are not typical to us. This makes associating with neurotypicals potentially dangerous, unless we remain on our guard against their biases.

This note on this particular moral deficit brings me to the topic of the large number of moral deficits commonly associated with neurotypicals. They have an under-developed sense of loyalty, and many do not seem to show any degree of loyalty at all. Further, they seem willing to lie about just about everything. The primary use of language for them seems to be to lie to each other. They will tell each other they look nice when they don’t; they will say one thing to one person, and another to another; they will backstab; they will tell their friends they are right when they know their friends are wrong. I could go on and on with the ways they lie to everyone.
They will also exaggerate and say things they don’t really mean. They will sometimes use words to mean completely different things. For example, I recently heard one of them say, “Give me a smack.” Which seems an odd request. But then I saw their neurotypical partner give them a kiss in response. How strange to ask for the opposite of a kiss and then to get a kiss! As a result, it can be very frustrating to deal with neurotypicals. You never know if they really mean what they are saying, you do not know if you can ever really trust them, and if you make the mistake of thinking they think the way you think, you will too often find yourself screwed over without your understanding what just happened.

Another odd behavior neurotypicals exhibit is their habit of “small talk.” From what we can tell, small talk appears to be talking just for the sake of talking. A “how are you doing” results in the same non-answer of “fine.” It seems unlikely everyone everywhere at all times is truly “fine,” so it seems that that is a non-answer to what is in fact a non-question. It has been observed that if you give an actual answer to the question, the questioner gets frustrated and impatient, as though they are annoyed that you would actually answer them. A whole conversation can actually go on like that, with general questions giving rise to pat answers so that you could actually change out any pair of people and you would end up with the same conversations each time. The vast majority of their conversations are not about anything of any substance, and, again, they seem positively annoyed if you try to engage them in such a conversation. As a group neurotypicals seem positively frivolous most of the time.

This frivolity extends to their work. They treat work as a social experience rather than as work. They don’t seem to treat work seriously or to engage in it with the kind of attention we autistics do. How any of them can keep a job is a mystery. Perhaps their ability to lie to their bosses and to pretend deference to them is what keeps them employed despite their inherent laziness. They also do have a tendency to do things exactly as they are told to do them rather than to find new ways of doing things. While one could view this as a lack of creativity on their part, in many cases it is useful to have a group of people who will unquestioningly do what they are told. If you can keep them from wasting their time socializing, businesses could make good use of this tendency to conform and engage in groupthink.

How It Feels to Be Made a Problem
I’m guessing you didn’t like the above description of yourself. You no doubt agree with many of the things listed, that they are all-too-often traits of the typical person. And no doubt many of you have made positive efforts to overcome those things — especially such things as racism and sexism. Indeed, we on the autism spectrum also make an effort to overcome what are perceived to be deficits. And yet, there are no doubt things I discussed above that you would argue are unusual, to say the least, interpretations of your behaviors. Well, guess what? That’s how we feel about many of the things we read about people with autism.

For example, we read that we do not have empathy or a theory of mind. That’s utterly ridiculous to us. We fully understand you have a mind — we just treat you like you have a mind like our minds, which results in a number of errors on our part. But guess what? You do exactly the same thing. You treat us as though we ought to have your mind, and when we obviously do not, you actually go so far as to declare that we don’t have a theory of mind! In the past people used to dehumanize others from other races and cultures using exactly this same logic. Since the person from the other culture does not act like us, they must not be human like us. We now know this to be untrue — and to be outright racist — but this way of thinking still manages to creep into studies of people with autism.


Yes, there are studies of young children involving hiding a toy, removing the child who saw where the toy was hidden, then moving the toy elsewhere and bringing the child back in where the young autistic children do not properly recognize who knows what, but where are the studies of older children and even adults? Why is it that we autistic adults don’t make this mistake? Could it be that the development of this ability is simply delayed rather than absent? Indeed, I see a great deal of evidence that people with autism have a tendency to have to learn through direct instruction many more things than do neurotypical people, who seem to have a large number of instincts that allow them to learn certain things more quickly. This is a difference in learning, not necessarily a disability or pathology. It is slower, but more accurate. As with anything, there are tradeoffs.

Finally, I want you to consider something else we autistic are always hearing. Given the negative aspects of neurotypicals listed above, what would you think of calls to fix you? From an autistic’s perspective, you would be much better people if you were more autistic. You would lie less, be less biased and judgmental, and be less frivolous. You would waste less time at work and get more work done. You would say what you mean and mean what you say. From our perspective, life would be much better for you if you were more like us. Now how does that make you feel? I can describe you as a pathology, as a problem that needs to be fixed. I am certain you didn’t like it one bit. Well guess what? Neither do we. If people would spend more time talking to us rather than studying us as some sort of black box that can only be understood by external observation of our behaviors, you may have known that by now.

Different Isn’t Worse
People with autism aren’t broken normal people. We are different. Our brains have different architectures, different biochemistry. It is driven by differences in our genes. All of which give rise to a different way of thinking and thus to different minds. Some of our minds are closer to neurotypical minds than others. It is a spectrum, after all. And some people with autism are definitely disabled when it comes to living in the neurotypical world. But then, there are extreme examples of the neurotypical mind as well — people who are pathological liars, people without morals, people who cannot seem to tell the difference between themselves and the external world. The difference is that they are closer to you, and thus seem more normal to you. To me, a man whose autism would be considered “mild,” those with severe autism see more normal. I get how they are thinking. It is different, not wrong. And if people were more accepting of those differences, I would predict that many of our extreme negative traits would lessen considerably. We are frustrated, and that frustration comes out in a variety of negative ways. But then, consider what would happen if everyone treated you as a disease needing to be cured and not truly understood in the least?

Coming to this understanding between autistics and neurotypicals matters. Given the negative social consequences felt by pretty much everyone on the autism spectrum, we can only conclude that autism is one of the last ways of being human for which it is still completely acceptable to discriminate against. We are punished in the schools, discriminated against there, with the result that only around half graduate high school. Those who go to college don’t do much better. And even if, like me, one not only graduates from college but gets graduate degrees, one finds upon graduation that the work world is almost completely hostile to you. Not because we can’t do the work — because not only can we do the work, we will likely do it better than the average neurotypical person — but because we don’t interview well, we don’t acknowledge hierarchies, we are blunt, we come across as arrogant, and we aren’t social in typical ways.

I wrote this piece in order to help the average person understand what it’s like to be treated as a pathology. It can just as easily be done to you as it has been done to us. Does that mean you are a problem that needs to be fixed? Or does that mean we ought to be considered fellow human beings whose minds are part of the natural variation among human beings, whose contributions to society are vital for social health? We correctly recognize that acceptance of cultural, ethnic, racial, and sexual diversity results in a healthy society. Perhaps we can one day soon include different ways of thinking, different kinds of mind as well.
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A Pathological Look at Neurotypical Behaviour 29 Sep 2017 19:25 #2

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How To Understand Neurotypical Behavior (smiling, small-talk) at Work
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I really don't know why you neurotypicals never seem to take a look at yourselves. You seem to think that Autistic people have a disease, or something that needs to be discovered what causes it, thus how to avoid it.

What you don't appear to realise is that there are most probably even more autistic people around than you think, even more than the 1/100 because many have gone undetected or as in the past were diagnosed with something else until the full extent of the autism spectrum was appreciated.

What is rather sad imo is that a forum such as this with people who say they want to 'seek truth' is simply churning the same old crap over and over ''what causes autism, is xyz''.

What you ever seem to realise, even in say that report ''circumcised children are more likely to be diagnosed with autism'' is that circumcised children are more likely to be examined by a medical expert during the procedure, thus, more cases of autism are found in that group.

What this really says is that the more children are examined by medical experts the more cases of autism are found. Many of these could have well gone without diagnosis, because the child in most cases will have a general medical overview prior and post operation.

We're here in greater number than you believe, but because we don't lie to promote our social interactions, and be more popular, you're threatened by us, so you want to pretend that we have a cause and need a cure.

Bloody neurotypicals, no wonder the prisons are all full of them, that's when they're not going about in tribes acting like savages.

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Neurotypical Personality Disorder
Modern science has now defined a formerly unknown neuro psychiatric disorder. For differentiatial diagnosis against ADHD/ADD/MCD, Asperger's and Tourette's, it is of utter importace having the following published, and information distributed to affected parents and patient-groups. The prognosis for individuals with this disorder is highly diverse. Some learn after adolesence to take care of themselves for shorter periods. Others are in constant need of company. Many succeed in the working life, preferrably in social professions, where they actually can turn their rigid fixation with each other into something prosperous.
Diagnostic criteria for Neurotypical Personality Disorder, Pangloss-Pangloss rev. 2

1. Conformity: (at least three of the following)

a,Strong fear of cultivating own ideas and personal interests. Primary adherence to the group's common point of wiev
b.Consider peers and friends more important than the closest family
c,Strong fear of "sticking out" and "distinguishing"
d,Strong fixation with the latest trends in music, toys, fashion, looks, diet and other areas
e,On multiple occations caught up in mass hysteria, scanned catchwords, performed "the wave", ended up in bad company or in other ways annihilated the own self
5.In the most extreme case engaged in sub cultures and referres to him/herself as a "punker", "hip hoper" or something similar

2. Speech and language impairment: (at least three of the following)

a,Use of group language, i.e. conformity to local jargons to "fit in" with peers and friends
b,Severe inability to pertinent and correct speech; makes constant use of metaphores and idiomes, often as a part of the group jargon
c.Severe inability to formulate true intention - says one thing meaning something totally different
d,Fixation on ritual conversation and / or superficial topics (i.e the wheather, the television schedule or the passed weekend's social occations)
e,Sloppy and inexact speech

3. Rigid fixation with social relations: (at least one of the following)

a,that exclude other activities
b,that interfers with the person's daily life (i.e. studies, work or likewise)
c.Strong fear of loneliness: self realization, self esteem and identity maintained through the group

3. Fixation with non verbal communication: (at least two of the following.

a,Is more observant to gestures, eye contact, smiles and body language, than to what is verbally stated
b,Draws conclusions about the ideas, thoughts and feelings of others, from gesture, gaze, smile and other non verbal clues
c,Misconceptions: often believes in knowing what others are thinking and feeling

4. Anti-social behavior: (at least one of the following)

a.Lies regularily (at least three ocassions / day; the behavior has been apparent for at least three months)
b."Goes behind others backs", teases, mobs, gossips, intrigues or tries in other ways to increase the person's own status at the expense of others
c,Frequently accepts boundbreaking behaviors and intentionally breaks "written rules", for group acceptance (i.e. scrawls, smokes, consumes alcohol, shoplifts, drives mopeds, opposes authorities (parents, teachers or likewise))

5. Cognitive difficulties: (at least four of the following)

a,Inability to perceieve details
b,Subjective reality experience, and a selective perception; interprets hidden messages in pertinent information
c,Common use of psychological defence mechanisms such as repression and denial; unwilling to face true facts
d,Limited long term and rote memory
e,Strong impairment in focusing, and entering deeply into interests and activities
f,Seeks changes in the daily life as an end in itself
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For all you neurotypicals '3' has been added twice to typify your style of behaviour.
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^ Ah, they try to wind up neurodiverse people but end up wishing that they hadn't so as a way out they blame the neurodiverse for being the culprits and then 'exclude' them.

The more this fact is presented to the neurotypical, the more they feel that the neurodivesre is trying to WUM them.

The fact of the matter is they lie all day long, and when they are exposed by the neurodiverse for doing so, well, they just think the 'divs' are trying to WUM them.

Once all their bs has been blown away, the fact remains, they find the truth to be a bad thing.
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divs are very much hit and miss.

Thats how you and pfiz are... just like a broken clock.

Much of the time, the two of you dribble conjecture and falsehoods about other members, and are convinced you are correct, when you arent.

Simple example... Frothy you are a jew claims pfiz.

Are you a jew?

Much of what the two of you babble on re. other members is just like that little example above... just much more long winded alot of the time.. and the longer the rants the two of you post about other members are, the more falsehoods therein the rants tend to contain.
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divs are very much hit and miss.

Thats how you and pfiz are... just like a broken clock.

Much of the time, the two of you dribble conjecture and falsehoods about other members, and are convinced you are correct, when you arent.

Simple example... Frothy you are a jew claims pfiz.

Are you a jew?

Much of what the two of you babble on re. other members is just like that little example above... just much more long winded alot of the time.. and the longer the rants the two of you post about other members are, the more falsehoods therein the rants tend to contain.

How many posters except Pfiz have called me a Jew, or such like?

See sonny boy, you just ignore the behaviour of your fellow NTPD posters and home in on those who think differently to the mass, even when they are posting inwith the majority.

You really are making this thread work, cheers for your input, even though you're trying to troll it :thumbup:
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:mf:

I guess self moderation has become a thing of the past, another NT fad no doubt, just like the unwanted 'centralised control system' :up:

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They hijacked another beautiful primordial symbol for their sick mind control agenda:




So let's see who invented the newspeak term, that novum loves so much:

Der Neologismus entstand in den späten 1990er Jahren als Kritik an der vorherrschenden Meinung, neurologische Diversität sei inhärent pathologisch. Er hat seinen Ursprung in der Neurodiversitätsbewegung und stammt aus den 90er Jahren des 20. Jahrhunderts. Sein Ursprung wird Judy Singer zugeschrieben, einer australischen Sozialwissenschaftlerin, die zu Autismus forscht und dies in Zusammenhang mit einem neuen neurologischen Selbstbewusstsein setzt. de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurodiversit%C3%A4t#Entstehung

The term is attributed to Judy Singer, an Australian social scientist on the autism spectrum,[4] and it first appeared in print in an article by journalist Harvey Blume (which did not credit Singer) in The Atlantic on September 30, 1998 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurodiversity#History


It's clear with www.dict.cc/?s=BLUME and who is Dr. Judy Singer? Also a "survivor"?



www.apac17.org.au/keynotespeakers.php


Meet Judy Singer Neurodiversity Pioneer www.myspectrumsuite.com/meet-judy-singer/



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Yes.. are you denying that severly autistic people exist? I dont really expect a straight answer here from you.

And do you know any severely autistic people?

For all conditions there is a name attributed to it at some point once more is realised.. before that in autisms case it was considered to be retardation or other things.

Autism isnt just people like you who dont believe in the system et al and hence the jews had to make a name for it.. which is what it seems you seem to think.

Severe autistics can not fend for themselves and again wouldve been considered mentally retarded in times gone by.

You keep repeating the mantra that autism is made up.

Frothy, what do you think of pfiz's claims that autism is made up by jews?
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Bobby Batter wrote:
How many posters except Pfiz have called me a Jew, or such like?

Quite a few, yes.

However it is you who said above that neurotypicals lie and neurodiverse apparently according to you set them straight.

Bobby Batter wrote:
The fact of the matter is they lie all day long, and when they are exposed by the neurodiverse for doing so, well, they just think the 'divs' are trying to WUM them.

Once all their bs has been blown away, the fact remains, they find the truth to be a bad thing.

So who's BS is pfiz blowing away when she says youre a jew... or says she has had weed "once, or twice" then went on to say she's never done drugs... or denied she knew about people being excluded from her forum when she did know... or constantly attempts to smear myself and others with other falsehoods (something you also do) .

Youre often creating little fables about people yourself, claiming to know how they think as though youre in their head, or claiming to know what they are, or sometimes just throwing any old shit at them in the hopes it sticks.

Like i said , hit and miss.

And yes, neurotypicals get it wrong too, but most of us arent on some kind of high horse where we think we're right all the time and morally superior... you aspies are not morally superior, you just think you are... you think you have more honour even than some here when the actions point otherwise.

Aspies are on some kind of high horse, its another thing ive noticed.. possibly because it is difficult for you guys to self reflect... you accuse others of having no honour yet time and again demonstrate you are no better.

And your mate pfiz still thinks autism is something made up by jews to smear people like herself.

I dont think she's even ever come across a severe autistic... she may be a prolific poster and theres lots of cut and paste going on, but real world experience seems to be another thing entirely.
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I've presented evidence on this thread from neurotypicals that they do lie, as part of their social psychology due to their shared emotional neurology and sheep like behaviour and social structures, awkwardness, etc etc..

So I'm not making stuff up, I'm elaborating on what has already been presented about NT's by NT;s. As I say ''read the thread'' (including watching the short videos) before you start throwing allegations at me.

You're trying to play me off against Pfiz now so you can sit back and watch the show. I do recall you trying a similar tactic with me and Cinta regarding our differences with Christianity. Sorry Macca, but i'm not going to be your attack dog against female posters.

As far as Autism goes Eugen Bleuler coined the term in 1911 (((Leo Kanner))) used the term again in the 1940's, Hans Asperger was a medical officer in the axis WW2, he was Austrian. There is some debate as to whether or not he was a Nazi Party member.

So out of the three main dudes who founded autism as a condition one of the three is a Jew, one appears to be Christian rather than Jewish, the other Mr Aspie himself a most probably Nazi party member.
Hubenstorf responded a few weeks later with a four-page letter and a five-page catalog of Asperger’s career postings, promotions, and publications he had assembled. Klin’s concerns, he wrote, were justified. While he had found no record of formal membership in the Nazi Party, Hubenstorf informed Klin that Asperger’s “medical career was clearly set in a surrounding of German Nationalists and Nazis,” and that he was regularly promoted within that setting. He believed the doctor might have downplayed his previous connections to known Nazis such as Professor Hamburger, his onetime mentor, whom Hubenstorf described as “the most outspoken Nazi pediatrician of them all.”
www.tabletmag.com/jewish-life-and-religion/196348/the-doctor-and-the-nazis
In Donvan and Zucker's view, Asperger was an ambitious opportunist who uncritically spouted Nazi ideology in his first public lecture on autism in 1938, and enthusiastically signed letters "Heil Hitler!"
www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/01/20/463603652/was-dr-asperger-a-nazi-the-question-still-haunts-autism
Other prominent person is (((Simon Baron Cohan))) Cousin of (((Sacha Baron Cohan))) aka Borat.

It's worth noting that it seems to be Asperger (the Nazi) who got the condition nailed, and (((Kanner))) got it wrong.
Kanner and Asperger had divergent views of autism. Asperger’s was expansive. He believed that autism was what Frankl called a “continuum,” or what is now called “the spectrum.” This was the idea that, in the words of the National Institutes of Mental Health, autistic people can be “mildly impaired by their symptoms, while others are severely disabled.” Crucially, Asperger believed that the condition was not rare. Once you knew what to look for, you’d recognize it in many people. Kanner, however, framed autism as a rare form of childhood psychosis and, eventually—under pressure from his Freudian psychoanalytic colleagues—adopted the view that it was caused by bad parenting and “refrigerator mothers.”
www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/08/autism-history-aspergers-kanner-psychiatry/398903/

So I doubt it was a Jewish thing regarding the diagnosis but they did seem to try and influence if via Freudian theory.

That said, it is the media, and the mainstream medical institutions that have decided that autism is that thing that needs to have it's cause identified thus cured. How many Jewish people are in those industries is a matter for another discussion.

Autism is a real thing, the one thing that binds all autistic people is social disconnectedness, no matter how sever or mild the autistic traits may be presented, that concept exists no matter what one chooses to call it.

This thread is not about Jews, nor about autism, it's about neurotypical pathology, insomuch as readers can look at people who are neurotypical (not autistic or associated 'conditions').

This concept seems to escape you Macca, there is a spectrum of neurotypical people, high and low functioning, they are bound by this need to be socially connected to one another, they can't even stand silence, for example if I chose not to interact with them (as usual) whist I'm going about the community, even if I know them, I more often say 'hi' and keep walking. So they think I'm rude, or if I'm someplace where they are (and I know them) I don't even give them eye contact. I know what they're going to do, they're going to start making small talk.

So they will say ''how are you'' they don't really want to know, they just want me to say ''fine thanks'' even if i'm not fine, then they will start talking about the weather or some other small talk shit that I can't be arsed with.

They expect a given set of responses to a given set of questions within scenarios, I just can't be fucked with that NT pathological claptrap. But because they are in the majority, well it's autistic people who get labelled by them as unwell, when their NT pathology is seen by some of us (who are aware of it) as symptoms of an illness that they (you) have.As much as NT's would say that about me et al.

Whether or not Jews are behind that I don't know, but two different neurology types certainly exist, if I were to think of a third it would be psychopathic, which may be a separate neurology altogether or exist as a co-morbid condition which overlaps both of the aforementioned neurology types.
This begs the question how professionals can even really accurately assess what someone with Asperger’s feels or has the capacity to feel. How can you know if I lack empathy just because perhaps I didn’t express something that was wanted, coveted, expected or that NT’s define as a “social norm”?

You really can’t, can you?

Should we as people with Asperger’s Syndrome, make up some book and pathologize NT’s who have a greater need and/or desire to relate many things, empathy being perhaps one of those feelings, to others more often than we do because to us that is not “normal” or necessary?

I believe that most aspies do feel empathy. I also believe that they want to experience empathy from others but that often both are lost in terms of expression and reception to the different ways in which we think, process information and to the different degrees to which we feel the need to actually “socialize”.

That does not a lack of empathy make. That makes for difference. More difference that is not understood, not tolerated and that is pathologized by the “powers that be” who decide how it is that we are all “supposed” to relate to one another.

Small box that, don’t you think?
aspergeradults.ca/2010/04/do-aspies-really-have-empathy-for-others/

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So who's BS is pfiz blowing away

I didn't say that she was neurodiverse.

But anyway I meant that once all the neurotypical typical responses have been challenged, they're just left feeling rather awkward bout themselves, feel threatened and start all this ''he needs help with his illness''.

I don't suggest that neurodiverse people are always correct but rather they don't have a host of predetermined answers and questions, a certain behaviour or expectation of the 'norm'. When the neurotypical mind gets this information about itself (which it is in the most part unaware of) it goes so often into full on defence mode, so it likes to have a pathological look and the neurology of the neurodiverse but not the neurotypical, as your behaviour here typifies.
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A Pathological Look at Neurotypical Behaviour 09 Oct 2017 10:42 #17

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Autism is a real thing

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This thread is not about Jews, nor about autism

Well you answered my question... you think autism exists and isnt made up by jews... and pfiz doesnt think autism exists and that its made up by jews.

The rest, well youve said some of that stuff before and i am aware of alot of it re neurodiverse traits and behaviour.

But on putting neurotypicals in a box so to speak, well there is a bit of a spectrum there also imo... i agree with the sheep like behaviour existing but its not everybody.
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I am sorry, Novum, I could not find a single comment by mhs, in which I said the words you are putting into my mouth.


Please link to where I said what you are claiming.


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novum wrote:
Bobby Batter wrote:
Autism is a real thing

Bobby Batter wrote:
This thread is not about Jews, nor about autism

Well you answered my question... you think autism exists and isnt made up by jews... and pfiz doesnt think autism exists and that its made up by jews.

The rest, well youve said some of that stuff before and i am aware of alot of it re neurodiverse traits and behaviour.

But on putting neurotypicals in a box so to speak, well there is a bit of a spectrum there also imo... i agree with the sheep like behaviour existing but its not everybody.

Yes it's a real thing but for all we know 'the Jews' have created a illness out of a different way of thinking.

It could be that autism does not exist as an illness, but rather a different neurology.

Yes I said that the neurotypicals have a spectrum, just like autistic people do. So then it could be argued that autism does not exist as an illness anymore the neuroptypical people exist as an illness.

Why does a different neurological style to neurotypical require a cause and at some point a cure or remedy, when the same could be argued the other way? Who's to say what the natural neurology of humans is, maybe you've been consuming too many heavy metals like mercury, eating too many sweets, or had an MMR vaccination, that caused your neurological problems?

Neurotypicals are much more likely to group, and rely on one another's company than 'autists' do, that's why there is so many of you in 'e-mobs' debating the cause of autism, but you never look at the cause of your own neurological state, funny that eh, maybe we need get some autism doctors to asses you, see how you behave, review your diet, wonder why you all waste so much time with overly predictable small talk topics?
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Why does a different neurological style to neurotypical require a cause and at some point a cure or remedy, when the same could be argued the other way? Who's to say what the natural neurology of humans is

Well i agree with you and i dont.. i suppose it depends of the severity as to whether its right to want to find a cure or remedy.

Those with severe autism that cant fend for themselves and need carers.. that level of it comes to mind re a remedy or ways to perhaps improve the self sufficiency.

For others well i say live and let live.

Seems like pfiz is of the opinion that the jews have created an illness out of a different way of thinking.. but again the severely autistic souls are unable to fend for themselves and so perhaps its difficult to not call neurodiversity an abnormal condition when it is so severe that the subject cant function independently like most people can.
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