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Philip Cross the Wiki edit merchant 19 May 2018 04:19 #1

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18 May, 2018 in Uncategorized by craig
133,612 edits to Wikpedia have been made in the name of “Philip Cross” over 14 years. That’s over 30 edits per day, seven days a week. And I do not use that figuratively: Wikipedia edits are timed, and if you plot them, the timecard for “Philip Cross’s” Wikipedia activity is astonishing is astonishing if it is one individual:

The operation runs like clockwork, seven days a week, every waking hour, without significant variation. If Philip Cross genuinely is an individual, there is no denying he is morbidly obsessed. I am no psychiatrist, but to my entirely inexpert eyes this looks like the behaviour of a deranged psychotic with no regular social activities outside the home, no job (or an incredibly tolerant boss), living his life through a screen. I run what is arguably the most widely read single person political blog in the UK, and I do not spend nearly as much time on the internet as “Philip Cross”. My “timecard” would show where I watch football on Saturdays, go drinking on Fridays, go to the supermarket and for a walk or out with the family on Sundays, and generally relax much more and read books in the evenings. Cross does not have the patterns of activity of a normal and properly rounded human being.

There are three options here. “Philip Cross” is either a very strange person indeed, or is a false persona disguising a paid operation to control wikipedia content, or is a real front person for such an operation in his name.

Why does this – to take the official explanation – sad obsessive no friends nutter, matter?

Because the purpose of the “Philip Cross” operation is systematically to attack and undermine the reputations of those who are prominent in challenging the dominant corporate and state media narrative. particularly in foreign affairs. “Philip Cross” also systematically seeks to burnish the reputations of mainstream media journalists and other figures who are particularly prominent in pushing neo-con propaganda and in promoting the interests of Israel.

This matters because, an ordinary reader who comes across an article questioning (say) the official narrative on the Skripals, is very likely to turn to Wikipedia to get information on the author of the article. Simply put, the purpose of the “Philip Cross” operation is to make certain that if that reader looks up an anti-war person such as John Pilger, they will conclude they are thoroughly unreliable and untrustworthy, whereas if they look up a right wing MSM journalist, they will conclude they are a paragon of virtue and entirely to be trusted.

The “Philip Cross” treatment is meted out not just to left wingers, but to all sceptical of neo-conservatism and who oppose “wars of intervention”. A list of Cross’s victims includes Alex Salmond, Peter Oborne, John Pilger, Owen Jones, Jeremy Corbyn, Tim Hayward, Diane Abbott, Neil Clark, Lindsey German, Vanessa Beeley, and George Galloway. As you would expect “Philip Cross” is particularly active in making amendments to the Wikipedia articles of alternative media, and of MSM critique sites. “Philip Cross” has made 36 edits to the Wikipedia entry of The Canary and, staggeringly, over 800 edits on Media Lens. George Galloway remains the “Philip Cross” operation’s favourite target with a quite incredible 1,800 edits.

Just as revealing are the people who “Philip Cross” seeks to protect and promote. Sarah Smith, BBC Scotland’s uber-unionist, has had “Philip Cross” kindly delete references from her Wikipedia entry to family ties that (ahem) may have helped her career. Labour Friends of Israel’s Ruth Smeeth MP has had reference to the Wikileaks released US diplomatic cable that showed she was an informer to the US Embassy on the secrets of the Labour Party, deleted by “Philip Cross”. Right wing columnist Melanie Phillips had her embarrassing climate channge denial excised by Cross.

“Philip Cross” not only carefully tends and protects the Wikipedia entry of Guardian editor Katherine Viner, who has taken the paper four square into the neo-con camp, Philip Cross actually wrote the original hagiographic entry. The Guardian’s MI6 contact, Luke Harding, is particularly looked after by Cross, as are their anti-Corbyn obsessives Nick Cohen and Jonathon Freedland. So are Murdoch hacks David Aaronovitch and Oliver Kamm.

There is no doubt that Kamm, leader wirter of Murdoch’s Times, is close the the “Philip Cross” operation. Many people believe that Kamm and Cross are the same person, or that Kamm is part of a multiple persona. Six times I have personally had hostile edits to my Wikipedia page by “Philip Cross” made in precise conjunction with attacks on me by Kamm, either on Twitter, in a Times editorial or in Prospect magazine. Altogether “Philip Cross” has made 275 edits to my Wikipedia page. These include calling my wife a stripper, deleting my photo, removing my reply to attacks made on me by Kamm and Harding among others, and deleting my refusal of all honours while a British diplomat.

Neil Clark and Peter Oborne are among many others who have suffered attacks on them by Philip Cross on Wikipedia simultaneously with attacks by Kamm on other media. Clark is taking Kamm to court for stalking – and “Philip Cross” has deleted all reference to that fact from Kamm’s Wikipedia page.

What is plain is that Kamm and Cross have extremely similar political views, and that the dividing line of those they attack and those they defend is based squarely on the principles of the Euston Manifesto. This may be obscure, but is in fact an important Blairite declaration of support for Israel and for neo-con wars of intervention, and was linked to the foundation of the Henry Jackson Society. Who do we find editing the Wikipedia entry for the Euston Manifesto? “Philip Cross”.

What is particularly interesting is that “Philip Cross”‘s views happen to be precisely the same political views as those of Jimmy Wales, the founder of Wikipedia. Jimmy Wales has been on twitter the last three days being actively rude and unpleasant to anybody questioning the activities of Philip Cross. His commitment to Cross’s freedom to operate on Wikipedia would be rather more impressive if the Cross operation were not promoting Wales’ own opinions. Jimmy Wales has actively spoken against Jeremy Corbyn, supports the bombing of Syria, supports Israel, is so much of a Blairite he married Blair’s secretary, and sits on the board of Guardian Media Group Ltd alongside Katherine Viner.

The extreme defensiveness and surliness of Wales’ twitter responses on the “Philip Cross” operation is very revealing. Why do you think he reacts like this? Interestingly enough. Wikipedia’s UK begging arm, Wikimedia UK, joined in with equal hostile responses to anyone questioning Cross.
www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/05/the-philip-cross-affair/


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Philip Cross the Wiki edit merchant 19 May 2018 10:44 #2

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Good article.

A link to who wrote it would be nice tho. :dunno:
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Link added...

I heard about it from listening to George Galloway on the radio....as he seems to be number one victim of Phillip Cross, another target is John Pilger, both have fiercely opposed the official Skripal narrative from the west. They are also people who other people listen to and take seriously, rather than Icke who rational people often ignore because of moonbase reptoid.
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Frothy wrote:
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I heard about it from listening to George Galloway on the radio....as he seems to be number one victim of Phillip Cross, another target is John Pilger, both have fiercely opposed the official Skripal narrative from the west. They are also people who other people listen to and take seriously, rather than Icke who rational people often ignore because of moonbase reptoid.

Imo Frothy, George Galloway is a shill.

As an MP he swore allegiance to the Crown and the ZOG Government of the day (whichever party).

MPS like the police FORCE AND MILITARY, do not swear allegiance to the people of the United Kingdom.

"The current standard oath of allegiance is set out from the Promissory Oaths Act 1868 in the following form:

I, (Insert full name), do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God."


Galloway ridiculed any people saying 9/11 was an "inside job" on his radio programmes, but of late has toned that down because
his listeners won't accept his denial.

And as far as the Holocaust goes .... he is vehemently against anyone who questions it and supports the 6 million lie.

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I'm not defending Galloway or upholding him, it's just that he;s the main victim of Philip Cross, besides John Pilger, and he/they are taken seriously by a lot of people, they are also right about Skripal imo,

So I'm not basing this thread on upholding Galloway but I wouldn't call him a shill as much as someone with one foot in the msm and the other the am but he puts his alternative am views onto the msm rather than using an am platform. it's why people in the mainstream listen to him, and why Philip Cross has targeted him....if Galloway had not been an MP and a serious radio/tv presented which Icke hoped to be before he became a conspiracy theory author, I doubt he would have been targeted.

What I'm saying is that it's people in the mainstream with some alternative views, such as what happened to the Skripals and the Syrian war that get attacked....people like Icke have already been dismissed as cranks by serious thinkers.

I don't see Galloway spinning any shill stuff, he opposes Israel and war in general, if you want to be in a position to make change, become an MP and oath to the queen, it's only words to repeat like being in court...or you be a journalist where you have a big audience...that's why he been targeted.

Regarding an issue like 9/11 he's not against the official narrative, I don;t know if that's because he believes it or does not want to be labelled a conspiracy theorist by his peers. I still wouldn't yell shill at him though, he's picks his fights politically and seems to often side with the Middle East nations who the west target, or Russia with these poisoning issues, and cold war tactics.

So if you want to know about 9/11 don't ask George Galloway, if you want to know about the Skripals and Middle East affairs then he is speaking out about that, and that is why he, like others have attracted the attention of Philip Cross.
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Name someone in the mainstream whos not a gatekeeper of sorts.

John Pilger is for sure.
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Screen grab from the Avotaynu Jewish Surname Index...:arowup:

Regarding Galloway's pushing of the Holocaust Lie, Galloway is a Jewish Surname....... :wissl:
Also note the selective way he chooses a "Hitler/Nazi Supporter" to interview which helps him to group all disbelievers as Nazis.
Most people who see through the HoloHoax are neither Nazi, Fascist or extreme Right Wing.
Same "grouping classification trick" used by (((Frothy))) in his Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits thread here:

https://truth-zone.net/forum/the-human-condition/68398-the-holocaust-deniers-triad-of-traits.html?limitstart=0#238103

After Edward I brought in The Edict of Expulsion for Usury Extortion many of them emigrated to Scotland.
This could be the reason for the "Stingy Scott" jokes in cultural English humor....... :hahano:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion
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Frothy wrote:
I'm not defending Galloway or upholding him, it's just that he;s the main victim of Philip Cross, besides John Pilger, and he/they are taken seriously by a lot of people, they are also right about Skripal imo,

So I'm not basing this thread on upholding Galloway but I wouldn't call him a shill as much as someone with one foot in the msm and the other the am but he puts his alternative am views onto the msm rather than using an am platform. it's why people in the mainstream listen to him, and why Philip Cross has targeted him....if Galloway had not been an MP and a serious radio/tv presented which Icke hoped to be before he became a conspiracy theory author, I doubt he would have been targeted.

What I'm saying is that it's people in the mainstream with some alternative views, such as what happened to the Skripals and the Syrian war that get attacked....people like Icke have already been dismissed as cranks by serious thinkers.

I don't see Galloway spinning any shill stuff, he opposes Israel and war in general, if you want to be in a position to make change, become an MP and oath to the queen, it's only words to repeat like being in court...or you be a journalist where you have a big audience...that's why he been targeted.

Regarding an issue like 9/11 he's not against the official narrative, I don;t know if that's because he believes it or does not want to be labelled a conspiracy theorist by his peers. I still wouldn't yell shill at him though, he's picks his fights politically and seems to often side with the Middle East nations who the west target, or Russia with these poisoning issues, and cold war tactics.

So if you want to know about 9/11 don't ask George Galloway, if you want to know about the Skripals and Middle East affairs then he is speaking out about that, and that is why he, like others have attracted the attention of Philip Cross.

Thank you for your reply.

I still maintain George Galloway is not to be trusted, although I agree with many things he says.

It is relevant to your thread that he and John Pilger are being suppressed by Wikipedia.

I tried to add my thoughts about the Bolshevik Revolution and the Jewish Hidden Hand on Wikipedia, but it's a protected page and only users who have written several posts before will be considered for amendments to THEIR CANARD.

Wikipedia still states the Jewish Bolshevik Revolution is a ANTI-SEMITIC CANARD.

Wikipedia States:

"Jewish Bolshevism, also known as Judeo-Bolshevism, is an antisemitic and anti-communist canard which alleges that the Jews were at the origin of the Russian Revolution and held the primary power among Bolsheviks"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism

That contradicts Putin who must have historical evidence as to who were high ranking members of the Communist Government of the Soviet Union.

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It's not a thread about Jews or Bolchevikism. it's about the behaviour of Philip Cross on Wikepedia and why he/it has chosen these people to target.

Like them or not both Galloway and Pilger atre outspoken on the MSM about certain issues, recently the Skripal narrative, for that they have been attacked, by Cross, be interesting to see who else, Jeremy Corbyn is apparently somewhat targeted by Cross...He also questioned the Skripal narrative and has issue with Syrian.
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Frothy wrote:
It's not a thread about Jews or Bolchevikism. it's about the behaviour of Philip Cross on Wikepedia and why he/it has chosen these people to target.

Like them or not both Galloway and Pilger atre outspoken on the MSM about certain issues, recently the Skripal narrative, for that they have been attacked, by Cross, be interesting to see who else, Jeremy Corbyn is apparently somewhat targeted by Cross...He also questioned the Skripal narrative and has issue with Syrian.

Calm down.

I was linking the malign methods of Wikipedia to other important historical facts

I wasn't trying to derail your thread.

You must know from my comments about Skripal that I don't trust the Government, MSM nor Wikipedia.
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Gate keeping. The same is done here, on the TZ. Right Zero/Zoroaster? :joker: The fact is what media truther is not compromised? They usually are taken down literally (death) soon after a following. Same formula: use some truth, stir in some poison = disinformation. Same w/religion. When this George denies 9/11 but agrees w/six million it's over. O'vah!
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Roastie wrote:
Frothy wrote:
It's not a thread about Jews or Bolchevikism. it's about the behaviour of Philip Cross on Wikepedia and why he/it has chosen these people to target.

Like them or not both Galloway and Pilger atre outspoken on the MSM about certain issues, recently the Skripal narrative, for that they have been attacked, by Cross, be interesting to see who else, Jeremy Corbyn is apparently somewhat targeted by Cross...He also questioned the Skripal narrative and has issue with Syrian.

Calm down.

I was linking the malign methods of Wikipedia to other important historical facts

I wasn't trying to derail your thread.

You must know from my comments about Skripal that I don't trust the Government, MSM nor Wikipedia.

It's a thread about a current affairs issue not history, Jews, Bolsheviks, or other such things that you can't resist from mentioning, neither is it a thread to discuss whether or not Galloway or Pilger are Jews or shills.

Its all this shit that stops progressive discussion here. So instead of discussing 'Philip Cross' it's ''Galloway is a shill, he's got a Jewish name'' etc etc and other childish shit :facepalm:
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Frothy wrote:
Roastie wrote:
Frothy wrote:
It's not a thread about Jews or Bolchevikism. it's about the behaviour of Philip Cross on Wikepedia and why he/it has chosen these people to target.

Like them or not both Galloway and Pilger atre outspoken on the MSM about certain issues, recently the Skripal narrative, for that they have been attacked, by Cross, be interesting to see who else, (((Jeremy Corbyn))) is apparently somewhat targeted by Cross...He also questioned the Skripal narrative and has issue with Syrian.

Calm down.

I was linking the malign methods of Wikipedia to other important historical facts

I wasn't trying to derail your thread.

You must know from my comments about Skripal that I don't trust the Government, MSM nor Wikipedia.

It's a thread about a current affairs issue not history, Jews, Bolsheviks, or other such things that you can't resist from mentioning, neither is it a thread to discuss whether or not Galloway or Pilger are Jews or shills.

Its all this shit that stops progressive discussion here. So instead of discussing 'Philip Cross' it's ''Galloway is a shill, he's got a Jewish name'' etc etc and other childish shit :facepalm:
I bet they all secretly worship the Queen Bee in some Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevist Beehive Temple
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Smearing each other with honey and going bzzz bzzzz bzzzzz all day long. And doing funny little waggle dances like the hokey cokey on acid without realising that perhaps they are all Phillip Cross clones under hypnosis and wearing excessive amounts of yellow and black clothing.
Bzzz they went.
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^^Yeah, this is keep'ah^^.
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Rocco wrote:
Frothy wrote:
Roastie wrote:
Frothy wrote:
It's not a thread about Jews or Bolchevikism. it's about the behaviour of Philip Cross on Wikepedia and why he/it has chosen these people to target.

Like them or not both Galloway and Pilger atre outspoken on the MSM about certain issues, recently the Skripal narrative, for that they have been attacked, by Cross, be interesting to see who else, (((Jeremy Corbyn))) is apparently somewhat targeted by Cross...He also questioned the Skripal narrative and has issue with Syrian.

Calm down.

I was linking the malign methods of Wikipedia to other important historical facts

I wasn't trying to derail your thread.

You must know from my comments about Skripal that I don't trust the Government, MSM nor Wikipedia.

It's a thread about a current affairs issue not history, Jews, Bolsheviks, or other such things that you can't resist from mentioning, neither is it a thread to discuss whether or not Galloway or Pilger are Jews or shills.

Its all this shit that stops progressive discussion here. So instead of discussing 'Philip Cross' it's ''Galloway is a shill, he's got a Jewish name'' etc etc and other childish shit :facepalm:
I bet they all secretly worship the Queen Bee in some Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevist Beehive Temple
Nothing of the Lucifiean deity that each and ever one of your false jew gang listed in your quote. Same hive mentality. different colony. Seeing a lot of the regular gang keeping tabs on the PZ posts too. FYPWZ.
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Rocco wrote:
Frothy wrote:
Roastie wrote:
Frothy wrote:
It's not a thread about Jews or Bolchevikism. it's about the behaviour of Philip Cross on Wikepedia and why he/it has chosen these people to target.

Like them or not both Galloway and Pilger atre outspoken on the MSM about certain issues, recently the Skripal narrative, for that they have been attacked, by Cross, be interesting to see who else, (((Jeremy Corbyn))) is apparently somewhat targeted by Cross...He also questioned the Skripal narrative and has issue with Syrian.

Calm down.

I was linking the malign methods of Wikipedia to other important historical facts

I wasn't trying to derail your thread.

You must know from my comments about Skripal that I don't trust the Government, MSM nor Wikipedia.

It's a thread about a current affairs issue not history, Jews, Bolsheviks, or other such things that you can't resist from mentioning, neither is it a thread to discuss whether or not Galloway or Pilger are Jews or shills.

Its all this shit that stops progressive discussion here. So instead of discussing 'Philip Cross' it's ''Galloway is a shill, he's got a Jewish name'' etc etc and other childish shit :facepalm:
I bet they all secretly worship the Queen Bee in some Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevist Beehive Temple

Is that just prior to when they come and white genocide you...... :dunno:
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Frothy wrote:
Rocco wrote:
Frothy wrote:
Roastie wrote:
Frothy wrote:
It's not a thread about Jews or Bolchevikism. it's about the behaviour of Philip Cross on Wikepedia and why he/it has chosen these people to target.

Like them or not both Galloway and Pilger atre outspoken on the MSM about certain issues, recently the Skripal narrative, for that they have been attacked, by Cross, be interesting to see who else, ((((((((((((Jeremy Corbyn)))))))))))) is apparently somewhat targeted by Cross...He also questioned the Skripal narrative and has issue with Syrian.

Calm down.

I was linking the malign methods of Wikipedia to other important historical facts

I wasn't trying to derail your thread.

You must know from my comments about Skripal that I don't trust the Government, MSM nor Wikipedia.

It's a thread about a current affairs issue not history, Jews, Bolsheviks, or other such things that you can't resist from mentioning, neither is it a thread to discuss whether or not Galloway or Pilger are Jews or shills.

Its all this shit that stops progressive discussion here. So instead of discussing 'Philip Cross' it's ''Galloway is a shill, he's got a Jewish name'' etc etc and other childish shit :facepalm:
I bet they all secretly worship the Queen Bee in some Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevist Beehive Temple

Is that just prior to when they come and white genocide you...... :dunno:
I'll just shapeshift into my black-jewjitsu-lizard form and dodge the ovens like the other 6 gorrilion lampshaded soap bars
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^^^OR become ONE with the TZ-NS & join Flare & Zero's Lovefest of the WII truth-lies thread. Bump that liked tally w/the all things against the kike..................but never anything else.............for years. :wissl: PS Rock-a-Jock hit up the crew for a dandy flag, but it has no nation of it;s own. You know like the wandering tribe of the elite today. :thumbup:
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Rocco wrote:
Frothy wrote:
Rocco wrote:
Frothy wrote:
Roastie wrote:
Frothy wrote:
It's not a thread about Jews or Bolchevikism. it's about the behaviour of Philip Cross on Wikepedia and why he/it has chosen these people to target.

Like them or not both Galloway and Pilger atre outspoken on the MSM about certain issues, recently the Skripal narrative, for that they have been attacked, by Cross, be interesting to see who else, ((((((((((((Jeremy Corbyn)))))))))))) is apparently somewhat targeted by Cross...He also questioned the Skripal narrative and has issue with Syrian.

Calm down.

I was linking the malign methods of Wikipedia to other important historical facts

I wasn't trying to derail your thread.

You must know from my comments about Skripal that I don't trust the Government, MSM nor Wikipedia.

It's a thread about a current affairs issue not history, Jews, Bolsheviks, or other such things that you can't resist from mentioning, neither is it a thread to discuss whether or not Galloway or Pilger are Jews or shills.

Its all this shit that stops progressive discussion here. So instead of discussing 'Philip Cross' it's ''Galloway is a shill, he's got a Jewish name'' etc etc and other childish shit :facepalm:
I bet they all secretly worship the Queen Bee in some Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevist Beehive Temple

Is that just prior to when they come and white genocide you...... :dunno:
I'll just shapeshift into my black-jewjitsu-lizard form and dodge the ovens like the other 6 gorrilion lampshaded soap bars

Are there ovens ready to genocide you with? Or are you forced to mate with 'darkies' or something and make dusky coloured soap?
Jews LARPing as Nazis
Last Edit: 20 May 2018 05:10 by Frothy.
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