Flat Earth or Globe Earth ?

[WhiteKingWins]

Arguments can be made either way as there seems to be evidence both for and against.

There is a rightful distrust of NASA imagery and data which stems from their obvious use of photo enhanced imagery and such statements as " we dont have the technology anymore to go to the Moon "

Please feel free to add your evidence for or against. If anything , the subject will get the brain thinking and challenging itself which is ultimately a good thing.

Myself Im skeptical of flat Earth for a few reasons

1. Why do celestial objects I can see through my telescope appear circular to me ? Are they also flat and facing directly toward us so as to appear round ?

2. The North Star cannot be seen in the Southern Hemisphere. How is this possible if Earth is flat ?

In favour of Flat Earth my main questions revolve ( lol ) around the fact much of the mathematics involved in measuring distances between celestial objects seems loaded with Masonic fuckery and the question of a pressurized atmosphere within a void seems perplexing to say the least.

What do you think ?

 

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I consider this a realm or a simulacrum ....... most perceive a limited vector of a limited frequency which is also limited via their perception of so called events.
They are not in Kansas anymore ....... in fact they never have been.
All that 'most' ....... 'see' is confined by the 3d bubble created from the 2d foam of potential ....... nothing more, although they (well many but not all) do have the innate ability to 'walk farther'!

But as the title of this thread only gives the 2 options .... I guess that I am off topic!

 

[WhiteKingWins]

Not off topic at all.

Maybe its possible that evidence exists simultaneously for both flat or globe Earth and that would somewhat fit in your idea of this all being about how you are capable of perceiving it ?

You are right in saying the observations of both flat or globe Earth depend entirely on observations of a physical nature first and nothing else.

So here would be one such observation :

Polaris or the North Star

Time lapse images show that Polaris is in a fixed position and it appears as though all other stars , planets and anything else we can observe with visible light rotates around Polaris in a consistent pattern.

Its perhaps difficult to conceptualize in the mind how this is so ?

The Earth is not stationary and rotates around the Sun , the Sun is not stationary either and has its own orbit through space. So both the Sun and Earth are moving at supposedly incredible speeds through space in a spiral dance and yet ....

Polaris is anchoring us to something , or so it appears with visible light.

Which begs the question :

What is Polaris doing exactly ? As it appears , through time lapse imaging , to be a stationary object around which all other visible light objects revolve.

Interesting isnt it

 

[I AM ALL I AM]

4700 years ago the Nobleman star 天乙贵人 has been a North Pole star

. The Nobleman star 天乙贵人 ( Celestial Great One 天乙星) is one of the most auspicious stars in Chinese metaphysics. Generally it is believed ...

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G'day WhiteKingWins.

There are actually 5 North Pole Stars .....

1. Polaris.
2. Al Deramin.
3. Deneb.
4. Vega.
5. Alpha Draconis.

..... and they change throughout the Precession of the Equinox over a 25,920 year cycle.

.

As far as I am aware, the above video had nothing to do with Nassim, though I could not find the original. I actually downloaded it years ago and it was titled, 'The Universal pattern - Torus'.

The 'Flat Earth' theory, based on logic, falls very flat.

 

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What is Polaris doing exactly ? As it appears , through time lapse imaging , to be a stationary object around which all other visible light objects revolve.

Interesting isnt it

Thanks .... yes it is interesting. I have looked at the stars but never considered the pole star? (but have seen the circular images/videos)

Ball Science
A quick look brings discrepancies from different "science" sites as they give varying distances and even "is it 2 or 3 stars and it may have been 4 but 2 collapsed into each other".
But it would seem to be in the same arm as this solar system (Orion) .... so it would be moving at the same galactic rate as sol (although there are different images of where the sol system actually is in the milky way).
It is said that the pole star changes over thousands of years but these dates change from site to site .... roughly the last few ....

So it is ALL out of the range of 'limited life span' proof!

Flat Science
Actually I don't know if this is 'flat science' .... they seem to call 'myth' on some things .... but to my mind .... I recall reading that the sun and moon were akin to spot lights (so a limited shine area) so why would the stars not be 'spot lights' embed into the firmament with only a limited viewing vector?
With that thought, you could be stood just below the equator and not see the pole star .... or maybe it just does a "Truman" past that latitude??

For me .... well .... a dream within a dream is still nothing but a dream (and I can create within myself vastly more than is external of this pre-written, second hand book)

Interesting though .... I will have to look more.

 

[Martin Timothy]

Zhuang Zhou (Chuang Tzu) Quotes - One Journey

Zhuang Zhou (369 – 286, B.C.E.) commonly known as Zhuangzi, also rendered as Chuang Tzu, was an influential Chinese philosopher who lived around the 4th century B.C.E. during the Warring States period, a period corresponding to the summit of Chinese philosophy

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• Chinese Philosopher Chou Li Proved the Earth is Round in 1100 BC.
• Parmenides of Elea Demonstrated the Earth was a Sphere in 500 BC.
• Indian Astronomer Aryabhata Asserted the Earth was a Globe in 500 AD.
• Greek Mathematician Eratosthenes Calculated the Earth's Circumference in 250 BC.

Michael Servetus and Giordano Bruno who expanded on their works were burned at the stake in the 16th Century .. the entire Flat Earth project is dumbdown on a massive scale, we say the Calvinists and Inquisitors who burnt Servetus and Bruno were financed by the same Zionist banking cartel that finances the Flat Earth brigade.

NASA - The Moon moving in front of Earth in July 2016 as seen by the DSCOVR satellite, the far side of the Moon faces the camera. Image.

 

[WhiteKingWins]

Martin ....

I appreciate the input regarding historical rationale for a globe Earth.

I read of an experiment a Greek carried out with sticks and shadows. Essentially he reasoned if the Earth was flat the Sun should cast an even shadow at two different locations of Earth if measured oj the same day.

It didnt work , he got different shadow lengths and he concluded that is evidence of curvature.

With regard to the NASA imagery of the moon ......

1. Where are the stars in the background ?

2. Does that image look real to you ? It just doesnt look real to me .....

 

[Cactus]

2. The North Star cannot be seen in the Southern Hemisphere. How is this possible if Earth is flat ?

Thats how the concept of a vanishing point works. Like how rail tracks appear to be touching in the distance or the ship gone behind the horizon suddenly reappears with a Coolpix 900. The sun for example is not setting, it's reaching our vanishing point. Thats how I understand it.

 

[Cactus]

Just with the sheer number of satellites they claimed to have launched in near, far, geostationary in the least we should have a hundred high definition channels on cable broadcasting the earth real time 24\7. We should by now have hundeeds of imagery cameras broadcasting live all day from the moon. Instead we are fed a steady diet of cg images and artistic renditions. Where are our live streams, where are all those big profits they promised. It never paid for itself. Why would they go that far faking space? To produce an alibi to nail down a ball belief. Which it did for most.

 

[Truthspoon]

To be perfectly frank, I consider 'Flat Earth' to be a schizoid delusion..... and the promulgation and acceptance of this new paradigm has rather disturbing implications for the mental wellness of people within the truth community.

​

Just thinking out loud.......

I cannot grasp what is driving the current sub-current of belief in flat-Earthism.

It defies not only any rational or logical cognitive framework but even defies the concept even of a conceptual framework.

Flat-Earth belief is almost purposefully and maliciously irrational and the fact that it requires a completely implausible and impossible set of circumstances in order for it to be true doesn't seem to bother Flat-Earth people who are happy to 'invent' the universe as they go along in order to create a weird fantasy backdrop for their Flat-Earth reality.

Then I tried to think like a schizophrenic.

When I looked at Flat-Earth from the viewpoint of the schizophrenic it fit and made a kind of sense.

The only cognitive framework within which Flat-Earth makes any sense is within the concept of extreme mental illness.

I say this because for the schizophrenic personality, the whole of reality has become both unreal and threatening.

A schizophrenic will look at the horizon and the sun set and will 'see' or 'perceive' an unreal cardboard sky like a movie backdrop and a sun watching him or her, as if it were a spotlight, placed there, to peer at him, as he goes about his business.

They will know, either rightly or wrongly, but partially rightly, that this is all an illusion, and that there is something 'behind' and 'beyond' the cardboard sky and the sun staring at them, like a bright burning eye, watching them moving to-and-fro on the surface of the unreal stage which has been set for them.

The sense of total unreality is absolutely central to understand why people believe in Flat-Earthism, because despite their protestations and claims, logic and scientific measurements can never carry the argument.

The sense of a mechanistic, Newtonian rational universe, entirely dissolves as a plausible reality to the shizoid mind, who knows, that there is something MUCH BIGGER going on. Again, they are partially right, but in a sense, are being exposed to too much information, which their human mind and senses cannot handle.

So..... in order to circumvent this, the schizophrenic Flat Earther has to externalise or project their sense of unreality to the Earth and everyone living here as a whole, in order to feel 'normal' with their unreality.

This way the Flat-Earther is the one who 'knows' that the Earth is flat, and everyone else is conveniently wrong.

The larger the Flat-Earth group gets, the more comfort, solace and security these borderline schizophrenics feel about their own delusions which by sheer force of cultural resonance and repetition actually gain reality in the real world and as we have seen, become a cultural current in their own right.

Therefore, it is no use arguing with a Flat-Earther because you are probably dealing with someone who is medically insane and at the same time, has their whole reality invested in this belief. A man will fight to their last brain-cell to defend their sense of reality.

I write this both as a personal investigation, and I am glad to have been able to solve a minor riddle in my own mind, but also at exasperation at how far this self-serving cult of mental-illness has infiltrated the Truth Movement and succeeded in largely discrediting the conspiracy movement as a whole.

I also belief that there are non mentally ill actors and perps involved in promulgating the Flat-Earth information, but what is surprising is the sheer level of up-take amongst people in conspiracy circles. The Flat-Earth schizophrenia hypothesis explains this riddle.

Flat-Earth beliefs allows the schizophrenic to be the sane-one at last, and the rest of humanity to be the ones in error. One can understand why this might be appealing to such people.

So the prevalence of Flat Earth beliefs, although apparently laughable and ridiculous, signals a disturbingly wide distribution of psychotic and shizoid cognitive patterns, in our online communities.

 

[Cactus]

To be perfectly frank, I consider 'Flat Earth' to be a schizoid delusion..... and the promulgation and acceptance of this new paradigm has rather disturbing implications for the mental wellness of people within the truth community.

​

Just thinking out loud.......

I cannot grasp what is driving the current sub-current of belief in flat-Earthism.

It defies not only any rational or logical cognitive framework but even defies the concept even of a conceptual framework.

Flat-Earth belief is almost purposefully and maliciously irrational and the fact that it requires a completely implausible and impossible set of circumstances in order for it to be true doesn't seem to bother Flat-Earth people who are happy to 'invent' the universe as they go along in order to create a weird fantasy backdrop for their Flat-Earth reality.

Then I tried to think like a schizophrenic.

When I looked at Flat-Earth from the viewpoint of the schizophrenic it fit and made a kind of sense.

The only cognitive framework within which Flat-Earth makes any sense is within the concept of extreme mental illness.

I say this because for the schizophrenic personality, the whole of reality has become both unreal and threatening.

A schizophrenic will look at the horizon and the sun set and will 'see' or 'perceive' an unreal cardboard sky like a movie backdrop and a sun watching him or her, as if it were a spotlight, placed there, to peer at him, as he goes about his business.

They will know, either rightly or wrongly, but partially rightly, that this is all an illusion, and that there is something 'behind' and 'beyond' the cardboard sky and the sun staring at them, like a bright burning eye, watching them moving to-and-fro on the surface of the unreal stage which has been set for them.

The sense of total unreality is absolutely central to understand why people believe in Flat-Earthism, because despite their protestations and claims, logic and scientific measurements can never carry the argument.

The sense of a mechanistic, Newtonian rational universe, entirely dissolves as a plausible reality to the shizoid mind, who knows, that there is something MUCH BIGGER going on. Again, they are partially right, but in a sense, are being exposed to too much information, which their human mind and senses cannot handle.

So..... in order to circumvent this, the schizophrenic Flat Earther has to externalise or project their sense of unreality to the Earth and everyone living here as a whole, in order to feel 'normal' with their unreality.

This way the Flat-Earther is the one who 'knows' that the Earth is flat, and everyone else is conveniently wrong.

The larger the Flat-Earth group gets, the more comfort, solace and security these borderline schizophrenics feel about their own delusions which by sheer force of cultural resonance and repetition actually gain reality in the real world and as we have seen, become a cultural current in their own right.

Therefore, it is no use arguing with a Flat-Earther because you are probably dealing with someone who is medically insane and at the same time, has their whole reality invested in this belief. A man will fight to their last brain-cell to defend their sense of reality.

I write this both as a personal investigation, and I am glad to have been able to solve a minor riddle in my own mind, but also at exasperation at how far this self-serving cult of mental-illness has infiltrated the Truth Movement and succeeded in largely discrediting the conspiracy movement as a whole.

I also belief that there are non mentally ill actors and perps involved in promulgating the Flat-Earth information, but what is surprising is the sheer level of up-take amongst people in conspiracy circles. The Flat-Earth schizophrenia hypothesis explains this riddle.

Flat-Earth beliefs allows the schizophrenic to be the sane-one at last, and the rest of humanity to be the ones in error. One can understand why this might be appealing to such people.

So the prevalence of Flat Earth beliefs, although apparently laughable and ridiculous, signals a disturbingly wide distribution of psychotic and shizoid cognitive patterns, in our online communities.

I read the whole post and was unable to find a single piece of compelling evidence for a ball earth. Calling down an idea with exhaustive ad hominems does not prove the earth is round. It proves you can type and judge without examining the facts. And that you have no respect for the opinions of others.

 

[Cactus]

I have seen at least 200 compelling reasons why the earth is a plane. Perhaps the problem is we need 300 more reasons to satiate the ball nazis. 500 might still not be enough to cut through the fog of nearsightedness.

 

[Cactus]

Arguments can be made either way as there seems to be evidence both for and against.

There is a rightful distrust of NASA imagery and data which stems from their obvious use of photo enhanced imagery and such statements as " we dont have the technology anymore to go to the Moon "

Please feel free to add your evidence for or against. If anything , the subject will get the brain thinking and challenging itself which is ultimately a good thing.

Myself Im skeptical of flat Earth for a few reasons

1. Why do celestial objects I can see through my telescope appear circular to me ? Are they also flat and facing directly toward us so as to appear round ?

2. The North Star cannot be seen in the Southern Hemisphere. How is this possible if Earth is flat ?

In favour of Flat Earth my main questions revolve ( lol ) around the fact much of the mathematics involved in measuring distances between celestial objects seems loaded with Masonic fuckery and the question of a pressurized atmosphere within a void seems perplexing to say the least.

What do you think ?

The only evidence for a ball earth is the NASA cg image they have been putting up as authentic since the start of the deep space hoaxing. Meaning essentially that there is no compelling argument for a ball earth but plenty of compelling arguments against it. Those believing the earth is a ball are not motivated to check into it because either they are earning a living on the lies or are so deeply emersed in surroundings where everyone takes a piss on those believing in a plane.

For my part the subject has been explained to me satisfactorily and my conviction in this regard is 100%. The only questions I still have are, how deep? How wide?

 

[Truthspoon]

I remember a Wikileaks release showing that a man called Eric Dubay had received 50,000 US dollars from the CIA.

Apart from that I have nothing against Eric. He used to post on the old Icke forum and he chose to put two of my articles on his Atlantean Conspiracy website.

 

[Truthspoon]

I tried having a discussion about Flat Earth with Ziggy Sawdust over at Max Igan's Crowhouse forum....

He didn't address any of my questions logically.....all he did was post up these premade meme pictures.

I suspect that Flat Earth people don't do rational debate, instead relying on strawmannery, memes and soundbites.

Nothing personal I hope Cactus.... you are entitled to believe what you like....... but it may not be conducive to your long term mental health.

 

[Cactus]

I remember a Wikileaks release showing that a man called Eric Du Bay had received 50,000 US dolllars from the CIA.

Ok, I'll bite. Why do you believe this? I can give you a good dozen reasons why they would put up a bogus story. He has been pummeling the corrupt establishment for 20 years that I know of. If the CIA are bankrolling the truth rolling off his lips then frankly the CIA are self-destructive.
I have seen the tribal garbage thrown at him just on the youtube channel. When you are that hated by the elites you must be doing something right.

 

[Truthspoon]

It's not a question of biting anything Cactus. I'm just trying to give you information.

Who is 'they' by the way? Wikileaks? If I recall it was just a piece of information in their massive data dump... it wasn't 'put up' so much as someone had taken the time to trawl through all the information and had spotted it.

Unfortunately I can find no record of it now.....but that's the memory hole for you.

 

[Cactus]

I tried having a discussion about Flat Earth with Ziggy Sawdust over at Max Igan's Crowhouse forum....

He didn't address any of my questions logically.....all he did was post up these premade meme pictures.

I suspect that Flat Earth people don't do rational debate, instead relying on strawmannery, memes and soundbites.

Nothing personal I hope Cactus.... you are entitled to believe what you like....... but it may not be conducive to your long term mental health.

Knowing the truth boosts my mental state. Living in lies would surely drive me nuts. If you did not understand Zig you were not paying attention. His mind is sharp. Won't ever con him with tribal bs
Reading you I sense a total disinterest in getting to the bottom of it. Takes courage to face a wall of monied interests spinning billion dollar yarns and defying elementary physics at every turn. In my mi d the elites have a serious credibility problem. They lie aboiut everything.

 

[Cactus]

It's not a question of biting anything Cactus. I'm just trying to give you information.

Who is 'they' by the way? Wikileaks? If I recall it was just a piece of information in their massive data dump... it wasn't 'put up' so much as someone had taken the time to trawl through all the information and had spotted it.

Unfortunately I can find no record of it now.....but that's the memory hole for you.

"THEY" The Heirachy Enslaving You.

 

[Truthspoon]

"THEY" The Heirachy Enslaving You.

Wikileaks?