20th Century Engineering

[WhiteKingWins]

Take a good hard look at the image above.

This was engineering from 1940s Germany.

It was a stealth plane. Just look at it.

Now tell me do you really think that in 2022 we are being given access to the highest levels of technology and engineering possible ? Do you genuinely believe for example that NASA is still only capable of designing the same penis shaped rockets ?

In my opinion we are being made fools of.

I will be posting more examples of advanced engineering from the recent past.

 

[Time for Unity]

I don't need any convincing, but I'd like to know your source for the photo.

 

[WhiteKingWins]

The photo is a full size model of the Ho 229

Ho 229: The Forgotten Story of Hitler's 'Stealth Fighter'

The Ho 229 might have been a formidable adversary over the skies of World War II, but in truth the plane was far from ready for mass production by the war’s end.

www.19fortyfive.com

 

[Time for Unity]

The photo is a full size model of the Ho 229

Ho 229: The Forgotten Story of Hitler's 'Stealth Fighter'

The Ho 229 might have been a formidable adversary over the skies of World War II, but in truth the plane was far from ready for mass production by the war’s end.

www.19fortyfive.com

Your link doesn't show the image. Where did you get the image?

 

[WhiteKingWins]

Your link doesn't show the image. Where did you get the image?

Germans Pioneered Stealth Technology in 1944

Germans Pioneered Stealth Technology in 1944. Northtop (USA) copied on B2. A cross section of the only surviving WW-II German Stealth Techno...

techaviation.blogspot.com

 

[Time for Unity]

Are you familiar with Michael Salla's ExoPolitics.org, regarding the secret space program and extremely advanced technology?

 

[WhiteKingWins]

Are you familiar with Michael Salla's ExoPolitics.org, regarding the secret space program and extremely advanced technology?

I wasnt until you mentioned it. It seems like an area of intrigue that I was once interested in. There was Paul Hellier the ex Canadian Defense minister who had some very detailed takes on this kind of thing.

He was also convinced that we have had contact with other species from off planet.

One thing he did make a point of was that there are alternative methods of energy freely available to us but that essentially the international banking cartels have purposefully suppressed public availablity because it would mean the end of their control over world events.

It sort of rings true , knowing what I know about the likes of the internationalists.

With regard to off world colonies and so on Im afraid I just cant trust people to tell the truth anymore. If if they did exist and parts of the military and govts have been working with other species I cant help but think the anything thats leaked to us would still be a pack of lies itended to reinforce certain narratives.

 

[Cactus]

With regard to off world colonies and so on Im afraid I just cant trust people to tell the truth anymore. If if they did exist and parts of the military and govts have been working with other species I cant help but think the anything thats leaked to us would still be a pack of lies itended to reinforce certain narratives.

As a plain human being with existing technology I can easily determine that our elites are anything but trustworthy and can't be trusted not to invade you given the opportunity.

Now imagine far advanced alien entities with far superior technology looking at our leaders. The last thing I would want, if I were such an alien that saw what I saw, would be to give those thugs more gas to start fires. Also sharing transport technologies could result in them showing up at your door with intent similar to that of the invaders killing north american indians wholesale. If anything, if sharing is allowed at all, would be to empower the little people with mindblowing tech. My vote goes to aliens having a hands off pact with regards to us.

 

[WhiteKingWins]

I don't think advanced Tech such as the NS stealth fighter has anything to do with aliens.

 

[Cactus]

I don't think advanced Tech such as the NS stealth fighter has anything to do with aliens.

For my part I have never seen the evidence that the stealth ever was stealth. The way I understand, wars are fixed on both sides and the warring elites are bloodline related so they can conspire to create the illusion of stealth by rigging tracking systems and defrauding taxpayers billions of dollars for a jet with a regular radar signature. I can see much profit in selling a regular jet with a snazzy fuselage as some kind of innovation.

I have read the odd claim here and there that the stealth was alien tech but the reason I did not believe that claim was not because I think aliens dont deal with us but rather a case where I dont believe the stealth claim itself. Besides that a heat signature can not be masked as far as I know.

In passing what do you think..do the aliens have a non-interference protol with regards to us humans?

 

[Sjackson3289]

Very Informative information. This is my second visit here. I have always found very interesting information in your forum discussions. Keep it up.

 

[WhiteKingWins]

Stan Meyer's Dune Buggy

waterpoweredcar.com

As if you have walked in to a different time line , the 20th Century saw the emergence of a water powered engine.

Stan ((( died ))) and oddly enough , the water powered engine he designed has gone nowhere near mass production.

Can you think why ?

It may not produce the same HP as a finely tuned muscle car , but still the 20th Century saw innovations that were never allowed to be seen for long. This is just another example.

 

[Truthspoon]

I've been researching this area myself somewhat..... I've written a book which you can get here https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09PBXXW63 which will eventually be free but not just yet since it's only been out a few months: ......how the UFO cult has been used by certain 'agents of change' in an millennial old agenda against western civilsation.

Here are some of my articles and extracts from the book about the fake UFO agenda and the use of Nazi technology:


https://www.truthspoon.com/2021/11/the-source-of-flying-saucers.html

The Source of the Saucers.

Henry Stevens' highly informative book Hitler’s Flying Saucers: A Guide to German Flying Discs of the Second World War, is a thorough and systematic documentation of various Nazi secret aeronautical projects of the final stages of the Second World War. However, there are some parts of the book which deal with some of the more ‘hypothetical’ elements of the possible propulsion systems for some of these saucers and while some theories are quite plausible and convincing, others such as the ‘free energy’ Schappeller Device, are probably stretching credulity and it would have been better perhaps in this instance to have stuck to what is demonstrably known and documented rather than delving into more arcane and fringe areas of so called pseudo-science; if only to put Hitler’s flying saucer programme on a more historically sound and documented basis and remove it from the classification of ‘conspiracy theories’ which it seems relegated to, to this day.

In his book he refers to several documented newspaper reports marking the first reference in the press to the term: ‘flying saucers’. The first report referring to ‘flying saucers’ appeared in 1947 in the November 9th edition of the Denver Post, some months after several documented UFO sighting across America.

The article is entitled ‘Spies Bid for Franco’s Weapons’ with a subtitle which reads ‘Agents Ascribe ‘Flying Saucers’ the New Rocket’ and reports a potentially fascinating story about an unnamed ‘European spy organisation’ successfully smuggling blueprints for advanced weapons out of Spain which had been designed by three unnamed German scientists. One of the weapons is described as ‘an electromagnetic rocket’ which, it is claimed, is “responsible for the ‘flying saucers’ seen over the North American continent last summer..”

Another article he refers to is an edition of the Los Angeles newspaper The Mirror dated March 24 1950 quoting Italian engineer, Professor Guiseppe Belluzzo who makes a matter-of-fact report about the development of flying discs. Belluzzo who was formerly Minister of National Economy and later, Education Minister in Mussolini’s government was quoted after a spate of sightings in the continental United States:

“There is nothing supernatural or Martian about flying discs…but they are simply rational application of recent technique.” He also said:

“Some great power is launching discs to study them.”

At this time there was growing curiosity following the Roswell and Aztec retrievals of crashed saucers and the release in 1950 of the first American feature film to feature flying saucers. What is interesting is that film does not try to make out that the saucers come from space but that the saucer is an invention of an American scientist. The plot revolves around a race against the Russians to be able to gain this technology while a communist turn-coat attempts to sell the saucer to the Soviets.

It is interesting that at the earliest stage in the UFO controversy there were independent attempts to get the truth out, however one can assume that, as the arms-race against the Russians heated up it became necessary to be more guarded about the nature of the development of American aeronautical technology and for this reason the cover of ‘aliens from space’ what created by various sponsored science fiction writers and Hollywood producers who were deployed in this propaganda effort to sell the possibility of visitors from space to the American public.

The article, apparently quoting Belluzo from an article from Italy’s Giornale d’Italia, whom the article credits with the building of the first steam turbine in Italy in 1905, states quite plainly:

“..types of flying discs were designed and studied in Germany and Italy as early as 1942.”

He was also interviewed for the March 30 edition of Der Spiegel in 1950 where he said that in the early 1940’s, flying saucers were produced in the BMW factory Prague where scientists such as Klaus Habermohl, himself and Walter Miete, who was also part of the V2 project, worked on flying disc projects following Schriever’s work.

"… Rudolph Schriever, who says engineers throughout the world experimented in the early 1940s with flying saucers, is willing to build one for the United States in six to nine months. The 40-year-old Prague University graduate said he made blueprints for such a machine, which he calls a flying top, before Germany’s collapse and that the blueprints were stolen from his laboratory. He says the machine would be capable of 2,600mph with a radius of 4,000 miles, Schriever is a US Army driver at Bremerhaven."

According to the Henry Steven’s book the earliest designs for flying saucers in World War 2 are by aeronautical engineer Rudolf Schriever who was mentioned in the 1950 Der Speigel article, and these designs were dated to 1941 and first flown and tested in 1942. Schriever developed a flying saucer which used a jet-engine, a technology which had been in existence since Frank Whittle built the first jet-engine in England in April 1937. Two years later in Germany Erich Warstiz piloted the world’s first jet aircraft the Heinkel He 178, which was limited to speeds of 372 miles per hour, somewhat slower than the Messerschmitt 109, and had a combat time of little more than 10 minutes. For these reasons it was not a success, however in 1944 the Germans built the Messerschmitt Me 262 which was effectively the world’s first jet-fighter.

A few years later, on page 148 of an edition of Popular Science magazine from October 1955 in an article entitled: “Giant Pie Cooked Up by Frenchman is Latest Flying Saucer” French aircraft engineer Rene Couzinet is shown standing aside the Couzinet RC-360: a flying saucer shaped aircraft 27 feet in diameter, resting on three landing stuts. The article describes him as ‘making a bid for the flying saucer trade’ which is an interesting thing to say and seems to infer that there might be a commercial interest in designing saucers, presumably for secret government and covert military programmes.

The article quotes Couzinet on the method of propulsion: “The engines will spin the upper and lower discs in opposite directions and whirl the craft on its way.” Perhaps it was a secret which he was supposed to have kept because tragically, on 16th December 1956, he and his wife Gilberte apparently committed suicide in Paris barely a year later.

What is noteworthy here, apart from the fact that Couzinet was apparently trying to break into the potentially lucrative ‘saucer business’ as inferred in the article, or the suspicious double suicide not long after the publication of this article, is the spinning element of the flying saucer Couzinet designed. This is something which had been observed and reported in many UFO phenomena subsequently.

 

[Truthspoon]

https://www.truthspoon.com/2021/10/the-ufo-deceptionextract-from-new-book.html

Nordic Aliens from the Planet Sweden

On May 18th 1946 a solitary hiker Gosta Karlsson was enjoying a peaceful night walk through the heavily wooded shore of Angelholm Sweden in the Kronoskogen forest.

Climbing a small hill, he noticed bright lights streaking up from the forest floor. He was surprised to encounter such lights because it was not expected to encounter any fellows at this time of night this deep in the forest. He might have wondered whether he had stumbled upon some kind of group of Swedish pagans celebrating their strange rites late into the night. Or maybe wondered whether this might have something do with the test-flights being carried out by the Swedish Air-Force having their main headquarters nearby, having been there since late 1945 and hardly more than a mere three miles from his present location.

He descended into the strangely illuminated clearing and found in the centre a brightly lit object resembling what would later become known as the classic ‘flying saucer’, the description comes from an interview with Swedish UFO investigator Klas Svan:

“It was shaped like a disk and stood on two telescopic supports. In the lower part, there was a lowering hatch with a ladder, like on ships, at a height of one and a half meters. I saw the light coming from the cockpit and tried to look there, but the view was too narrow and I saw only light. At the top of the object was an oval cabin about eight meters in diameter, with oval windows at 1-meter intervals and approximately 30 cm high. While I was looking at this structure, I thought that someone was trying to mess with me, but then I thought that maybe this facility was built by German pilots and they were trying to escape from the POW camp on it.

But deep down, I believed that there was something else. On top of the cockpit, there was something thick, like a periscope four meters high. It had that bright purple light source that caught my attention. Light along a strange curved trajectory softly enveloped the entire object and pulsed slightly like water in a fountain...”

What conclusions do we the reader in the year of writing this 2021 reach upon examining this report? Well despite this being what is classically considered to be a flying saucer and potentially a highly advanced spacecraft from another planet we cannot help but notice that apart from flashing lights it doesn’t seem especially high-tech compared to the kind of technology which is available today.

Telescopic supports don’t sound especially alien, nor do hatches and ladders, I’m not suggesting it was an old window-cleaner’s ladder or anything quite so rudimentary but from the modern suggestions and stories of alien-abductions we have been given to understand that aliens don’t need ladders: that they can materialise and dematerialise people, their ships and themselves at will, so reading an account of what must be one of the earliest modern-sightings of what is supposedly an alien spacecraft but with a technology which is still within human understanding of aliens having to climb ladders, pass through hatches is certainly if nothing else, an interesting case.

Admittedly the lack of joints or rivets is the kind of thing we might expect from an advanced civilisation but not necessarily beyond the ability of advanced post war engineers but we can’t help but feel that what he saw might be the kind of spaceship which would look ‘alien’ and futuristic for 1946, but one wonders whether someone from 2021 seeing this craft might not think it was an escaped prop from a 1950’s science fiction B movie.

Even more interesting is the fact that Gosta Karlsson met the alien inhabitants at close-quarters and rather than quickly seizing the opportunity to remove his trousers and probe him or abduct him for any of the strange sexual experiments which have become part of the aliens UFO lore, and the reason might be because this hasn’t quite been written into the lore just yet, they actually seemed somewhat inconvenienced by his presence.

Neither eager to experiment on him, fiddle with his bottom, nor apparently keen to teach him the wonders of the universe, instead they behaved as you do when someone comes round to your house when you’re about to have dinner and you’re just too polite to send them away. So you kind of just put up with them and listen to them speak while you think about your dinner going cold. This is the description Gosta Karlson gives about the ‘alien’ visitors, bear in mind this sighting occurred in Sweden:

“They all had blond hair and looked like a typical Swedish or Norwegians. I saw three men near the windows of the ship, they were busy with some work inside. Then three girls appeared in front of me, all equally dressed in one-piece white suits with the same boots and belts. Each of them had a transparent hood pulled back around their neck. It was strange to see how they all looked at me as if I were an uninvited guest. I felt like a wild animal in a circle of light, a technique used by safari hunters in Africa. Then a dark-haired girl came down the stairs from the ship. She had a bag in her hand, and then she began to distribute cups to all other men and women. They began to quit all work and began to drink from these cups. When I wanted to get closer to them, one of the men, who seemed to be acting as a guard, blocked my path, raising his hand as a stop sign. Everyone around me was looking at me with serious faces. Then I stepped back and everyone went back to their work and no one was looking at me. I felt a little depressed.”

What is remarkable is how honest this account says, all the way down to feeling ‘a little depressed’ that these advanced aliens weren’t interested in him in the least. What is also interesting is that the myth of blonde-haired blue-eyed Nordic ‘aliens’ has become part of the lore, some UFO commentators even going so far as to be able to pinpoint their origin in the Pleaides star cluster. Perhaps the Nordic ‘aliens’ in fact come from the Nordic countries, Sweden and perhaps more pertinently Germany.

Then as he walked away, he saw the ship depart:
“Slowly and majestically, the heavy object was rising up and now I clearly saw that it was a flying ship. It made a sound like a vacuum cleaner motor. it is in a crown of red light, and at an altitude of 400-500 meters, it slowed down and began to sway.”

The description of the saucer making a sound like a vacuum cleaner motor is quite an unusual description and again, although a flying machine being powered by some kind of advanced vacuum engine would have been alien and unfamiliar in 1946 we know that this kind of technology was just beginning to be developed: the jet engine. The swaying motion of the vessel too indicates a technology which has not yet been mastered. Several of these key elements from Gosta Karlsson we will find to be key elements of the Nazi secret weapons development programme, many aspects of which are matters of public record.

An eye-witness account of a Ukrainian prisoner known only as ‘X’ mentioned in Stevens’ book who was interred at a work-camp near Peermunde makes a similar description of a flying saucer he saw late one night:

“.. four workers appeared from a hangar and rolled out a strange looking craft onto the concrete landing strip nearby. It was round, had a teardrop-shaped cockpit in the center and was rolled out on small inflatable wheels, like an "upside down wash basin". After a signal was given, this silvery metal craft began making a hissing sound and took off, hovering at an altitude of about five meters directly over the landing strip. As it hovered, the device rocked back and forth. Then the edges began to blur. Suddenly the flying craft's edges seem to blur as it jumped up sharply and gained altitude in a snakelike trajectory. X concludes that because rocking was still exhibited, the craft was advancing erratically."