Flat Earth or Globe Earth ?

[Cactus]

G'day Cactus.

What happened to your response?

Or is there a specific reason why you avoided responding to the above post?

From your lack of a response it appears that you have no response and are unable to show verifiable evidence of the 'Flat Earth' theory directly correlating with verifiable observable physical phenomenon.

"This article describes a tiny portion of the research conducted by the eminent nuclear physicist Dr. Robert J. Moon (1911-1989) [2], and it also introduces some possible variants of it. I came across Dr. Moon's geometrical model of the atomic nucleus after having known of a nice reorganization of the periodic table of the elements into a tetrahedral structure, the so called Perfect Periodic Table [3]."

Sacred Solids in the Atomic Nucleus

1.- Introduction "Our picture of the nucleus is so far different from the accepted picture (actually, there is no accepted picture) as to make any comparison impossible. The trained specialist recognizes immediately that if we are right, the whole edifice of 20th Century atomic physics must be...

www.sacred-geometry.es

The complete article is at the above link, showing that Dr Robert Moon presented verifiable evidence that the periodic table of elements is directly related to the 5 Platonic Solids.

You can also check the information at this link ... https://www.cosmic-core.org/free/ar...-2-periodic-table-of-elements-dr-robert-moon/

The Precession of the Equinox is an astronomically observable fact, as is the movement between different Pole Stars.

The Precession of the Equinox is actually 25,920 years​

432 x 60 =25,920

The 'A' note starts at a frequency of 216 and doubles out for each proceeding Octave ...

216 - 432 - 864 - 1728 - 3456

The Egyptian Royal Mile is 8/7 of a Statute Mile and there are 3,456 Egyptian Royal Miles in the Polar Radius of the Earth.

216 x 10 = the diameter of the Moon in miles
432 x 1,000 = ........

I recommend your explanation for anyone experiencing sleep difficulties. If you can't use simple language why bother? Simple layman terms too hard for you?

 

[Cactus]

" In 2003, three University Geography professors collaborated in an experiment to prove that the state of Kansas is indeed flatter than a pancake!

Using topigraphical geodetic surveys covering over 80,000 square miles it was determined that Kansas has a flatness ratio of 0.9997 over the entire state while the average pancake, precisely measured using a confocal laser microscope comes in at 0.957, making Kansas thereby literally flatter than a pancake." -- Eric Dubay

 

[Cactus]

" Quoting Reverend Thomas Milner's " Atlas of Physical Geography," we find that,

" Vast areas exhibit a perfectly dead level, scarcely a a rise existing through 1,500 miles from the Carpathians to the Urals. South of the Baltic the country is so flat that a prevailing north wind will drive the waters of the Stattiner Haf into the mouth of the Oder, and give the river a backward flow 30 or 40 miles.

The plains of Venezuela and New Grenada, in South America chiefly on the left of the Orinoco, are termed Ilanos, or level fields. Often in the space of 270 square miles the surface does not vary a single foot.

The Amazon only falls 12 feet in the last 700 miles of it's course; the La Plata has only a decent of one thirty-third of an inch a mile." -- Eric Dubay

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Totally contradicting the earth curvature formula. They don't call it "sea level" because it's curved. The whole idea of water clinging to a spinning sphere rotating at 1000 mph is what every globe believer is insinuating. And we are labelled nuts. : )

 

[Cactus]

Look outside the window of an aicraft at 35,000 feet and you should only see outer space from either side of the fuselage. The earth's curvature should be under you. If the horizon is still visible it's because the earth is a flat plane not a spherical planet.

 

[Cactus]

What I find interesting is that globe worshippers think the only barrier between our upper atmosphere and a near-perfect vacuum of outer space is thin vapor. Do we insult these congregations for uttering such nonsense, no, we are far more tolerant of ignorance because all of us have been there at one time or another. We understand it is world-class propaganda that induced that coma. When people find out the government lies they laugh. When the lie is a major cashcow they generally and mysteriously get furious and abusive. One guy started throwing furniture around when he heard man had never set foot on the moon. Others got so abusive they derailed the thread. Just those big lies. Saying they lied about flouride is cool though, for most.

 

[Cactus]

" All NASA and other " space agencies " rocket launches never go straight up. Every rocket forms a parabolic curve, peaks out, and inevitably starts falling back to Earth.

The rockets that are declared " successful " are those few which don't explode or start falling too soon but make it out of range of spectator view before crashing down in restricted waters and recovered.

There is no magic altitude where rockets or anything else can simply go up, up, up and then suddenly just start " freefloating " in space. This is all science fiction illusion created by wires, green screens, dark pools, some permed hair and Zero-G planes. " -- Eric Dubay

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As we see clearly, all flat earth discussions end up taking down NASA and her international affiliates. So, no surprise that flat earth threads are attacked as visciouly as space denial threads. NASA helped cover up the flat earth so no surprise they are questioned as an integral part of debunking globe earth. In fact NASA's CGI of the ball earth is the Holy Grail of heliocentrism. They consider it proof of a globe earth like nothing else.

 

[I AM ALL I AM]

G'day Cactus.

I call bullshit on that statement.

You are stating a logical fallacy that because 'A' is true then 'B' is true, when 'A' and 'B' are two different topics (Flat Earth vs Vaccinations).

When you look at the sky, do you see a round Sun as I do?

When you look at the sky at night, do you see a round Moon as I do?

Now, the first image shows two 3:4:5 triangles and a relationship of 3:11 between the Moon and the Earth.

3 + 4 + 5 = 12
3 x 4 x 5 = 60

12 x 60 = 720

There are 720 degrees in the internal angles of a Tetrahedron, one of the 5 Platonic Solids. The Number 720 is also the third Octave of the F# Note (180 - 360 - 720) in 432Hz Musical Tuning, which has 14 Notes (Moon 3 + Earth 11 = 14).

720 x 3 = 2,160 ..... which in miles is the diameter of the Moon.

720 x 11 = 7,920 ..... which in miles is the diameter of the Earth.

Of course, 432 is the square root of 186,624, which is the classical number for the Speed of Light in miles per second.

So, there are direct correlations between the Earth and Moon that 'fit' together with the 14 Notes of 432Hz Musical Tuning, the Speed of Light and the 5 Platonic Solids (the 'building blocks' of all physical matter and the basis for the whole periodic table of elements).

Can the 'Flat Earth' theory provide any direct correlations as presented above?

Further to this, the first 12 Numbers of the Fibonacci series (Divine Proportion) added together ...

1 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 5 + 8 + 13 + 21 + 34 + 55 + 89 + 144 = 376

... total 376 and ...

3 + 7 + 6 = 16

... and ...

376 / 16 = 23.5

... which in degrees happens to be the tilt of the Earths axis and produces the seasons and Precession of the Equinox. Of course the Divine Proportion is inherent within all physical matter through the spiral of the DNA strand, among other aspects.

Can 'Flat Earth' theory provide any correlations with the Divine Proportion (Phi - 1.618)?

After all, a spherical Earth directly correlates with observable physical phenomenon.

G'day Cactus.

What happened to your response?

Or is there a specific reason why you avoided responding to the above post?

From your lack of a response it appears that you have no response and are unable to show verifiable evidence of the 'Flat Earth' theory directly correlating with verifiable observable physical phenomenon.

"This article describes a tiny portion of the research conducted by the eminent nuclear physicist Dr. Robert J. Moon (1911-1989) [2], and it also introduces some possible variants of it. I came across Dr. Moon's geometrical model of the atomic nucleus after having known of a nice reorganization of the periodic table of the elements into a tetrahedral structure, the so called Perfect Periodic Table [3]."

Sacred Solids in the Atomic Nucleus

1.- Introduction "Our picture of the nucleus is so far different from the accepted picture (actually, there is no accepted picture) as to make any comparison impossible. The trained specialist recognizes immediately that if we are right, the whole edifice of 20th Century atomic physics must be...

www.sacred-geometry.es

The complete article is at the above link, showing that Dr Robert Moon presented verifiable evidence that the periodic table of elements is directly related to the 5 Platonic Solids.

You can also check the information at this link ... https://www.cosmic-core.org/free/ar...-2-periodic-table-of-elements-dr-robert-moon/

The Precession of the Equinox is an astronomically observable fact, as is the movement between different Pole Stars.

The Precession of the Equinox is actually 25,920 years​

432 x 60 =25,920

The 'A' note starts at a frequency of 216 and doubles out for each proceeding Octave ...

216 - 432 - 864 - 1728 - 3456

The Egyptian Royal Mile is 8/7 of a Statute Mile and there are 3,456 Egyptian Royal Miles in the Polar Radius of the Earth.

216 x 10 = the diameter of the Moon in miles
432 x 1,000 = the radius of the Sun in miles
864 x 1,000 = the diameter of the Sun in miles

The 'A' note is one of the 5 Rhythms of the Heart.

5 Platonic Solids - 5 Polar Stars - 5 Rhythms of the Heart ... and the 5th Octave of the 'A' Note is the Polar Radius of the Earth in Egyptian Royal Miles.

So there are some more correlations with observable physical phenomenon that are verifiable through Music - Number - Geometry - Astronomy, which the study of by ancient Greeks was called the Quadrium.

Yet there is a complete failure with the 'Flat Earth' theory in presenting any correlations with verifiable observable physical phenomenon. Nothing connecting it with the Divine Proportion (Fibonacci series) a.k.a the Golden Spiral, the Golden Angle (137.5), the Golden Rectangle or any other significantly known Geometry, nor Number, nor Music, nor Astronomy. Nothing !!!

You can check the math and geometry quite easily. Surely if there is an issue with any of it you will be able to satisfactorily debunk it all. The links have been provided for you to check the information by Dr Robert Moon, or you can even do your own search to debunk it.

By all means, I invite you to prove the above false using verifiable evidence.

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I recommend your explanation for anyone experiencing sleep difficulties. If you can't use simple language why bother? Simple layman terms too hard for you?

G'day Cactus.

What words in the above posts from Who I Am are you having difficulty comprehending?

Or is your post simply an attempt to avoid a reasoned and rational discussion of the topic that would highlight your inability to actually prove your position with verifiable evidence?

Surely you can "use simple language" and "Simple layman terms" to present a reasoned and rational dialogue to disprove what I have posted and also present verifiable evidence to support your position of there being a 'flat Earth'?

Remember, there are others reading along and they will judge the information presented, or lack thereof, for themselves, along with what that means for the positions of a 'flat Earth' or a spherical Earth. At this point, I suggest that your position of a 'flat Earth' is tenuous and lacking of reasoned and rational information that is verifiable.

 

[Cactus]

When one suffers from heliocentricity a common symptom is the belief that a 1×10 -17 torr powerful and nearly perfect vacuum can coexist with our atmosphere without some kind of barrier. Our gasseous pressurized atmosphere becomes a perfect vacuum just like that.

I doubt one needs a diploma in physics to understand this nor to understand the implications. To me that is a smoking gun. Destroys every claim made by NASA since 1958. Flat earth makes no claims to exploits in outer space. Flat earthers have not lied.

 

[Cactus]

The question one must ask is who benefits from censorship or mockery of the evidence put forth to support a flat world? Mountains have been moved to achor a false belief in a globe earth. First thing you see in the classroom is a globe earth model. Kids are told that water sticks to spinning balls like magic. Gravitational magic. But flat earth is way tabou. Better to be caught naked than reading that rubbish.

The treasuries of the world were raped like nickle whores exploiting this spheroid fantasy. Movies, reputations, academic credentials, big salaries, paraphenelia, movies depicting the fallacy of deep space travel. Surely there is enough money to kick around pesky flat earthers out to ruin them. To show how serious it is they go straight for the jugular, they dont laugh, they question sanity. Follow the money or follow the evidence.

The truth always comes out sooner or later. It is inevitable. Our post-Copernicus medieval mindset will exhaust itself.

 

[I AM ALL I AM]

Cactus wrote:
When one suffers from heliocentricity a common symptom is the belief that a 1×10 -17 torr powerful and nearly perfect vacuum can coexist with our atmosphere without some kind of barrier. Our gasseous pressurized atmosphere becomes a perfect vacuum just like that.

I doubt one needs a diploma in physics to understand this nor to understand the implications. To me that is a smoking gun. Destroys every claim made by NASA since 1958. Flat earth makes no claims to exploits in outer space. Flat earthers have not lied.

G'day Cactus.

Firstly and foremost, you failed to respond to the questions and information that I posted. Is it your intent to preach on this topic and not enter into any form of discussion?

Or is it that you have no rejoinder because of a lack of verifiable evidence and are unable to show any correlation of a 'flat Earth' with reality?

In the above quote, you start with an ad hominem logical fallacy. The ad hominem logical fallacy is the last resort for someone that does not have any argument to make and thus they make a personal derogatory attack instead.

When you claim, "Destroys every claim made by NASA since 1958", even if true, does not debunk/disprove a spherical Earth. Nor does it prove a 'flat Earth'. What you are stating there is another logical fallacy. Disproving 'A' (NASA) does not disprove 'B' (a spherical Earth).

When you claim, "Flat earth makes no claims to exploits in outer space", yet have already made the claim that "outer space" is a "nearly perfect vacuum". How would you know without having been in "outer space"?

You continue to fail in presenting any verifiable evidence for a 'flat Earth' ... which is telling in and of itself.

 

[Exorcist]

The Statue of Liberty is visible 60 miles away. According to the globe earth formula for curvature this would not be possible. Countless landmarks are seen from distances impossible to reconciliate with a sphere. That is compelling evidence. Your video does not change this fact. Flight path emergency landing scenarios confirm the equidistant azimuthal layout perfectly. No need to get bogged down with less compelling evidence. Personally I can't see how anyone can sit on the fence on this issue. You believe it or you dont. You can only deny the plane earth if you ignore irrefutable facts. Facts like water does not stick to a spinning ball. Try it.

This is complete Bollocks.....Those taken in by the Bullshit posted by Cactus should go to the following link.......
https://flatearth.ws/statue-of-liberty

Also visit the links available at this blog which completely demolish Eric Dubay's Bullshit. The blog link to "200proofstheearth is not flat" has been removed, .......How convenient !!!!!!!

https://roundearthsense.blogspot.com/p/home-page.html

 

[Cactus]

G'day Cactus.

Firstly and foremost, you failed to respond to the questions and information that I posted. Is it your intent to preach on this topic and not enter into any form of discussion?

Or is it that you have no rejoinder because of a lack of verifiable evidence and are unable to show any correlation of a 'flat Earth' with reality?

In the above quote, you start with an ad hominem logical fallacy. The ad hominem logical fallacy is the last resort for someone that does not have any argument to make and thus they make a personal derogatory attack instead.

When you claim, "Destroys every claim made by NASA since 1958", even if true, does not debunk/disprove a spherical Earth. Nor does it prove a 'flat Earth'. What you are stating there is another logical fallacy. Disproving 'A' (NASA) does not disprove 'B' (a spherical Earth).

When you claim, "Flat earth makes no claims to exploits in outer space", yet have already made the claim that "outer space" is a "nearly perfect vacuum". How would you know without having been in "outer space"?

You continue to fail in presenting any verifiable evidence for a 'flat Earth' ... which is telling in and of itself.

As far as lame rebuttals go yours is right up there. I dub thee knight of Obfuscation. I think it is the Spheroids that need to prove their wild assertions. Redirecting that burden on me shows you have no compelling evidence. You prove nothing and want everything. The reader can decide what he wants to believe.

 

[Cactus]

This is complete Bollocks.....Those taken in by the Bullshit posted by Cactus should go to the following link.......
https://flatearth.ws/statue-of-liberty

Also visit the links available at this blog which completely demolish Eric Dubay's Bullshit. The blog link to "200proofstheearth is not flat" has been removed, .......How convenient !!!!!!!

https://roundearthsense.blogspot.com/p/home-page.html

I bet a teenager with net skills can produce evidence like that on a shoestring budget. Do you have a link to explain the other numerous landmarks around the world that defy the curvature formula? As if trying to disprove the Liberty claim erases all the others. Typical shill behavior. Bullying flat earthers, so dull and predictable. With cheap parlor tricks passing for a rebuttal.
Nothing to say about all the other compelling evidence put up in this thread so far. Is your post a blanket refutal of that too?

 

[Cactus]

Hidden in plain sight. The United Nations.



Big flat earth map on the wall and a dome with lights symbolizing stars.



The UN flag showing the outer ice wall as olive branches.

Both the elites and flat earthers use the azimuthal equidistant projection of our world. No globes anywhere. At their level they can dispense with pretend balls. They reserve realism all to themselves. Hypocrites.

 

[Cactus]

The Ring of Fire on the globe model looks more like a straight line on the azimuthal equidistant projection. It's only horseshoe shaped because Spheroids superimposed it on their ball-loney.

 

[Cactus]

This is Atlas holding up a sphere world. Or so one might think;



The symbolism here is the Atlas bone of the neck holding up the head. Our head representing a world of possibilities. Why else would a man be shown supporting a ball earth spinning at 1000 mph ?

 

[Cactus]

NASA's first director;



Former movie studio boss. Just the guy to produce space extravaganzas. The guy had experience directing stage acts. Sure they faked space because going there was totally doable, right?

The real space cowboys, the ones that orchestrated the outer space myth of a medium ripe for exploration;



Space Fakers Inc.

 

[I AM ALL I AM]

This is complete Bollocks.....Those taken in by the Bullshit posted by Cactus should go to the following link.......
https://flatearth.ws/statue-of-liberty

Also visit the links available at this blog which completely demolish Eric Dubay's Bullshit. The blog link to "200proofstheearth is not flat" has been removed, .......How convenient !!!!!!!

https://roundearthsense.blogspot.com/p/home-page.html

G'day Exorcist.

[sarcasm]
Terry Pratchett has written books on this subject, they are commonly know as the Discworld novels AND they prove that the Earth is flat. Here, see this picture ...

... see, I told you so ... and it's pretty.

Now read this quote and know the truth ...

"It consists of a large disc (complete with edge-of-the-world drop-off and consequent waterfall) resting on the backs of four huge elephants which are in turn standing on the back of an enormous turtle, named Great A'Tuin (similar to Chukwa or Akupara from Hindu mythology) as it slowly swims through space."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discworld_(world)

[/sarcasm]

The evidence for a flat Earth is as fictional as the Discworld by Terry Pratchett. Only someone that relinquishes their freedom to think for themselves and denies all logical thought processes can be con-vinced by the 'flat Earth' nonsense.

Thank you for posting the second link, I had a look and read the comments.

 

[I AM ALL I AM]

G'day Cactus.

As far as lame rebuttals go yours is right up there.

"right up" where?

Is it in the re-butt-als?

Once again you have started your reply with the ad hominem logical fallacy. As already stated in a previous post, the ad hominem logical fallacy is the last resort for someone with no argument to present.

I dub thee knight of Obfuscation.

Well that saves you from presenting a reasoned, rational and logical reply then ... well done.

I think it is the Spheroids that need to prove their wild assertions.

Actually, you are not thinking. You are copying and pasting other peoples thoughts.

Redirecting that burden on me shows you have no compelling evidence.

Another logical fallacy commonly known as shifting the burden of proof. The claimant is the one required to show verifiable evidence to prove their claim, something that you have failed miserably to do on this thread.

You prove nothing and want everything.

I provided proof and you failed to respond in a reasoned, rational and logical manner. This proof included correlations with the Fibonacci series (Divine Proportion) and the 5 Platonic Solids, that is, Number and Geometry, both of which the physical reality we experience are based upon.

And no, there is nothing that I "want" for ... which is another claim that you are unable to present verifiable evidence of.

The reader can decide what he wants to believe.

Misogynistic much ... "he" !!!

I am sure both male and female readers have the capacity to recognise fact from fiction and can see that you have only been preaching on this thread.

 

[Truthspoon]

This is complete Bollocks.....Those taken in by the Bullshit posted by Cactus should go to the following link.......
https://flatearth.ws/statue-of-liberty

Also visit the links available at this blog which completely demolish Eric Dubay's Bullshit. The blog link to "200proofstheearth is not flat" has been removed, .......How convenient !!!!!!!

https://roundearthsense.blogspot.com/p/home-page.html

Here's another example of Dubay's bullshit:

72 “October 16, 1854 the Times newspaper reported the Queen’s visit to Great Grimsby from Hull recording they were able to see the 300 foot tall dock tower from 70 miles away. On a ball-Earth 25,000 miles in circumference, factoring their 10 foot elevation above the water and the tower’s 300 foot height, at 70 miles away the dock tower should have remained an entire 2,600 feet below the horizon.”

The problem with this is that Grimsby and its dock tower is NOT 70 miles away from Hull by line of sight but only 14 miles away.