David Icke Forum is a limited hang out

[I AM ALL I AM]

It is easily demonstrable that the Vatican does not rule the world.

Freemasonry as a proxy for Kabbalistic Judaic mystery religion is what calls all the shots.

The Catholic Church is no doubt an evil institution, but it is not in its interests to destroy western civilisation and ultimately itself.

It is evident which power in the world is growing stronger day by day and it is evident how their agents are involved in every area of moral, financial and social corruption throughout the world.

G'day Truthspoon.

Demonstrable eh, like this ...

The Double-headed eagle.
(The symbol most commonly associated with the Scottish Rite)

Scottish Rite jewel 18°

Scottish Rite - Wikipedia

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Vatican Coat of Arms

Vatican Crest


Note the 'Crown' on the Scottish Rite double-headed eagle and the Vatican Coat of Arms. Remember, the Crown corporation owned by the Vatican, Crown land, etc, etc. Also the red shield on the Vatican Coat of Arms ... red shield as in Rothschild.

ELISHA – 1. He is symbolized by Elijah’s mantle which he had asked for and received from Elijah (2 Kings 2:12-14). 2. A double-headed eagle.

Christian Symbols - Old Testament

A page dedicated to the meanings of symbols in art and architecture related to the Old Testament. That includes the prophets and their symbols, parts and objects in the tabernacle and temple, as well as important symbols such as the bronze serpent and the ten commandments.

www.christiansymbols.net

Note as well the snake symbolism on the Vatican Crest, which is a symbol of the Tribe of Dan (12 tribes of Israel) and equates with the Basilisk worshiped by the Phoenicians (Saint Peter's Basilica, with Basilica derived from the word Basilisk).

Then there are the links through the names of the masonic degrees ...

Master of the Brazen Serpent
Provost and Judge
Master of the Temple
Master of the Ninth Arch
Royal Arch of Solomon
Royal Arch of Enoch
Prince of Jerusalem
Grand Pontiff
Patriarch Noachite
Knight of the Brazen Serpent
Knight of Jerusalem
Knight of the Sun
Knight Commander of the Temple
Knight of Saint Andrew
My Brother’s Keeper
Inspector Inquisitor Commander

Scottish Rite - Wikipedia

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... which are religious, especially as the pope uses the title of Caesar, Pontifex Maximus.

"The pontifex maximus (Latin for "greatest priest"[1][2][3]) was the chief high priest of the College of Pontiffs (Collegium Pontificum) in ancient Rome. This was the most important position in the ancient Roman religion .....
..... The word pontifex and its derivative "pontiff" became terms used for Christian bishops,[5] including the Bishop of Rome,[6][7] and the title of pontifex maximus was applied to the Catholic Church for the pope ....."

Pontifex maximus - Wikipedia

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Then there is the fact that you only bow to your superior ... and every head of state, including royalty, bow to the pope and kiss the ring on his finger ... a sign of subservience of an inferior to their superior.

The ram is the sign of Aries, the previous age, represented in the 'old testament'. The fish is the sign of Pisces, this age, represented in the 'new testament' which is why there is the symbol of the 'Jesus' fish. The coming one world religion will be under the sign of Aquarius, the water bearer. Those in authority follow the precession of the equinox, denoting the current 'age' through the astrological sign for that period of the precession we are currently in.

"In the Hebrew language and the Old Testament, the meaning of “El” is the noun singular form of the word God, and “Elohim” is the plural version “gods.” El also signifies the zodiacal sign Aries who is known as the heavenly ram and first of the twelve zodiacal figures."

Symbolism of the Ram - Gnostic Warrior By Moe Bedard

The Phoenician God Hermes was often represented in ancient art carrying a ram. Zeus, the greatest of all Greek Gods had once exhibited himself to Hercules clad in the fleece and wearing the head of a ram. The Hindu version of the ram is the name Brahmin. The Freemasons honor the symbol of the...

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DANIEL – 1. He is symbolized by a man in the presence of several lions, referring to his duration in the lion’s den (Daniel 6). 2. He is symbolized by a ram with two horns (Daniel 8) and the great image that King Nebuchadnezzar had dreamed (Daniel 2).

Christian Symbols - Old Testament

A page dedicated to the meanings of symbols in art and architecture related to the Old Testament. That includes the prophets and their symbols, parts and objects in the tabernacle and temple, as well as important symbols such as the bronze serpent and the ten commandments.

www.christiansymbols.net

This is a short referencing and I will finish it off with the following ...

"..... The Holy Mother Church continued to accumulate vast wealth, and to such an extent that by 1953, and still under management of Nogara ...

... the Vatican controlled more than ninety of Italy's one hundred and eighty credit, banking and insurance institutions. One of the largest of these concerns was La Centrale, a company that provided medium and long term credit for projects in agriculture, hydro-electricity, mining and engineering ... by 1968 La Centrale possessed $107 million in capital and $277 million in assets ... Italcementi, another Vatican-controlled company, supplied over 30 percent of the cement in Italy and owned a financial house called Italmobiliare. italmobiliare, in turn, owned eight banks with cumulative assets of $512 million and capital reserves of $22 million. In addition, the financial house held control of the Banca Provinciale Lombardo and the Credit Commerciale di cremona whose combined deposits exceeded $1.2 billion.

(The Vatican Exposed, Dr. Paul L. Williams, Prometheus Books, New York, 2003, p. 83)

Page 176.


"Around that time it was found it was found in New York State banking records that the Roman Catholic Church showed investments in stocks and bonds with hundreds of corporations. Among others, were included Goodyear Tire & Rubber, Firestone, Colgate, Standard Oil, Atlantic City Convention Hall, Baltimore & Ohio R.R., Rock Island, General Foods, Savoy Plaza Hotel, Proctor & Gamble, Eire, Seaboard, Missouri, Pacific, Pere Marquette; Fisk, US Rubber, Bethlehem Steel, Press Steel Car, Unilever, Trumbull Steel, American Smelting; Commonwealth Edison, Brooklyn Edison, NY Edison, Pacific Gas & Electric, Montana Power Co., Indiana Electric, Oklahoma Gas and Electric, West Penn Power, American Commonwealth Power, Texas Electric, Louisiana Hotel Co., Squire Building, Lane Bryant, Fox Playhouses, Fox Theatre (St. Louis), Denver Joint Stock Land Bank, Nationa Dairy, Thermoid, Washington Silk, Westinghouse and Pillsbury Flour (The Vatican Empire, Nino Lo Bello, Trident Press, New York, 1968; The Vatican Billions, Baron Avro Manhattan, Paravision Books, London, 1972; The Vatican Papers, Nino Lo Bello, New English library (a division of Hodder and Stoughton, Ltd.), Kent, 1982, p. 229). At around the same time the Vatican became a major stockholder in US companies such as Gulf Oil, General Motors and IBM. ....."

Page 183.


"..... According to these estimates, the Holy See owned between 15 and 20 percent of the total stocks quoted on the Italian Stock Exchange. ....."

Page 193.

The Papal Billions
Tony Bushby

... which doesn't include the value of suppressed artworks and the value of all Crown land.

 

[Truthspoon]

Nonsense. The Catholic church has been historically opposed to Freemasonry for hundreds of years, to the extent that Freemasons used to be excommunicated from the church. It is only in recent times that the Catholic Church became a masonically inflitrated orgamisation, with the Catholic Church hijacked by Illuminati Freemasons, a process detailed by Adam Weishaupt in his private letters...but also originated by the Jesuits who were actually a Kabbalistic organisation with its origins in the Allumbrados of Spain who were also Jewish.


You seem to be one of these people who wants to take the heat off the Jews..........and pretend somehow that this is all a 'Christian' conspiracy when Christians and their civilisation are its greatest victims and have been the victims of countless genocides orchestrated by Jewish Freemasonry.

There is one specific ethnic group which hates white people, Christianity and their civilisation.

It isn't the Catholic Church.

 

[I AM ALL I AM]

G'day Truthspoon.

Wow !!!

What a convincing argument that you make, filled with verifiable evidence ... oh, wait, it isn't convincing and you provide no verifiable evidence.

Instead you attempt an ad hominem logical fallacy ... "You seem to be one of these people ....." ... as if by some magical process you became the judge, jury and executioner of "these people" so that you can play the victim card ... "..... which hates white people, Christianity and their civilisation. ....." ... and pretend that you do not follow the Jewish 'God' and the (supposedly) Jewish messiah, 'Jesus', who had 12 Jewish disciples, one of which apparently is the founder of the religion you claim to be a follower of.

There is a reason that there is a saying ... All roads lead to Rome.

If you would like a conversation ... awesome. If you intend to simply rant and rave, making false allegations and provide no verifiable evidence ... boring. You may as well join the ranks of the 'flat Earth' proponents and peddle the same ideology that the Roman Catholic Church used to peddle.

Did you even bother to read any of the information provided?

Or did you read it and realise that you had nothing to refute it with and instead decided to attack the messenger?

I will state this clearly for you ... FUCK ALL RELIGIONS !!!

Is that clear enough?

Your projection of bias between religious sects is utterly boring and nonsensical. The infighting of the four Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Satanism) in particular has been the cause of centuries worth of the vilest acts known on the planet. The fact that followers of each religious sect attempts to sway others to join 'their side' in the conflict is the problem.

You can pretend to think for yourself, yet while ever you follow a religion and therefore the religious texts of that religion, you have given away your freedom to think for yourself and are plain and simply the follower of the thoughts of someone else. You are welcome to wallow in your delusion of religious fanaticism and loss of free will to think for yourself, I prefer to be free and think for myself.

 

[Truthspoon]

Wow.........?

Why are you trying to take the heat off the Jews and blame the Catholic church?

You've been around here for long enough to know who really rules the world.

 

[Truthspoon]

There is a reason for the saying All Roads Lead to Rome..... because Rome was the centre of a pan-European empire and all roads really did lead to Rome.

 

[Truthspoon]

But you don't think for yourself.

You follow people like Madame Blavatsky and the late Acharya S.

Nothing you have posted here indicates you doing any thinking for yourself.

All you do is post second hand nonsense you yourself do not even understand.

Difference is I do not need to rely on dodgy lunatic-fringe websites. I know my facts and can debate things using ACTUAL facts, not made up Flat-Earth tier schizoid nonsense.

Sorry but it's true. You can't expect me to take you seriously when you would try to take me for a fool.

 

[Truthspoon]

Fuck all religions he says..... except Thelema I bet.

The Jews are not following a religion.....they are following a plan of ethnic supremacy. Nationalistic Zionist Jews are far more common and dangerous than 'religious' Jews. You will find most Jews do not identify as religious.

People who talk about 'religion' as being the cause of all the world's problems have an obfuscatory agenda.

 

[I AM ALL I AM]

G'day Truthspoon.

Four posts four minutes apart ... triggered much.

 

[Truthspoon]

Not triggered.

Just intelligent enough to make rapid posts to rebut your idiocy.

I know intelligence may be an unfamiliar concept to you......and I'm afraid it isn't something you can copy and paste.

 

[Truthspoon]

You don't deny that you're a Thelemite I notice.

 

[I AM ALL I AM]

G'day Truthspoon.

Not triggered.

Just intelligent enough to make rapid posts to rebut your idiocy.

I know intelligence may be an unfamiliar concept to you......and I'm afraid it isn't something you can copy and paste.

Of course you weren't triggered, four posts in four minutes is what everyone does, right?

It's not like everyone to gather their thoughts and post a constructive reply that is rational and logical in one single post, right?

Self promotion is no promotion. In fact, if you have to keep telling others how intelligent you are it is because you aren't intelligent enough to be exemplifying it, that is, you constantly reminding others is because you know that you are not showing it ... which is why you state, "Just intelligent enough" (bold added).

You don't deny that you're a Thelemite I notice.

Why would I be required to "deny" the fantasies that abound in your imagination?

Do you think that I incarnated here on this planet because I was interested in a popularity contest?

You can state whatever you want about Who I Am, it has no relevance to Who I Am and simply shows your lack of maturity in name-calling as well as the fantasies you construct in your imagination.

 

[Truthspoon]

I've stayed on topic....presented facts........you sidestepped all that and latched onto the 'triggered' taunt... because it's all you've got left.

Bored of you now. You're childish and intellectually deficient.

 

[I AM ALL I AM]

I've stayed on topic....presented facts........you sidestepped all that and latched onto the 'triggered' taunt... because it's all you've got left.

Bored of you now. You're childish and intellectually deficient.

G'day Truthspoon.

The topic is in the title, "David Icke Forum is a limited hang out". Neither of us are "on topic". False claim number 1.

Then you claim you, "presented facts". As the following highlights ...

"You seem to be one of these people who wants to take the heat off the Jews"

"Why are you trying to take the heat off the Jews and blame the Catholic church?"

"You follow people like Madame Blavatsky and the late Acharya S."

"Nothing you have posted here indicates you doing any thinking for yourself."

"Fuck all religions he says..... except Thelema I bet."

"People who talk about 'religion' as being the cause of all the world's problems have an obfuscatory agenda."

... you are unable to prove that the above are "facts". False claim number 2.

Then you claim, "you sidestepped all that". The information I presented shows otherwise. False claim number 3.

Further, you claim, "because it's all you've got left". Which obviously you cannot prove to be true. False claim number 4.

And to top it all off, you claim, "You're childish and intellectually deficient". Another which you are unable to prove. False claim number 5.

You appear to be unable to present verifiable evidence for the claims that you make and instead resort to false claims. In fact, considering the amount of false claims, it appears to be a habit.

 

[The Truth]

Well that is why we are here!

Same shit different year!

I do think Gareth Icke is genuine and wanting to wake people up.. I think I can see it in him in his interviews that he ain’t happy about where the works is headed, just like the rest of us in this scene.

But taking about Jay Kew can get one in a whole bunch of shit , and it already has for them... public figures get it much worse.

I’m in an oppressive hive mind country with diminishing rights and no 1a or similar, it’s worse than the UK and not difficult to end up in prison for wrongthink these days, plus i think this place is a lost cause because of too many naive people and govt boot lickers, so have shunned any potential spotlight therefore can avoid the (((heat))) to an extent... it’s a different situation so I’m not going to censor people for pointing out people doing bad things no matter their ethnicity.

I can however understand why it makes some people nervous... the proper and full truth is uncomfortable for a reason... the people who won ww2 (no not the nazis) have made it so.

Telegram groups where these things can be discussed have taken off and GAB is fighting (((them))) daily as they want gab gone.

I don’t forget Kerry Anne kennel trying to pin David icke down on the 6 gorillion the last time he was allowed into prison island... the demonic bitch was relentless... and he didn’t let her win... spoke volumes to me.

sometimes some people have to play the long game or they’ll get put on the bench early and that’s an unfortunate fact, I know that DIF is under the spotlight and they have different pressures on them vs some other platforms.

I would like you to invite to watch this video and if it`s possible please share it far and wide to reach as many people as possible please.

 

[Wikkiidd]

Vatican City is key to the NWO, period. Stop with 'Rome opposes 'Freemasonry' already. It does you no service what so ever to defend the Harlot 'church'.

 

[Truthspoon]

Why would the Vatican church assure its own destruction and pave the way for Jewish global supremacy?

The attitude of the ROMANS regarding the Jews was not ambiguous..... why would they now help them?

Are you going to try to tell me that the Catholic Church created the Illuminati?

You've got the cart before the horse...... The Catholic Church had been corrupted by the Illuminati.... Weishaupt spells it out in his own letters.


All these 'It's the Catholics' are either deliberately or foolishly trying to cover up for the Jews.

You just don't know your history.

Here's some:

https://www.truthspoon.com/search?q=alumbrado

Investigating Ignacio de Loyola and the Spiritual Exercises of the Jesuits.​

The ROAD TO ELEUSIS​

The journey into mystery.​

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The Kabbalah emerged from 12th Century Spain with some possible origins in the 1st and 2nd century. Something else to emerge from Spain, another arguably transformative movement was that of the Jesuits. The Jesuits almost certainly emerged from the Alumbrados of Castile who were said to have been mostly conversos, that is Jewish converts to Christianity. Of the Alumbrados Britannica.com states:​

“While they counted some of the high aristocracy among their number, most of the Illuminists seem to have been conversos.”​

In the Alumbrados we find a development of the broad themes of the Kabbalah and the beliefs of the Alumbrados are a good snapshot of the kind of spirit of sensuality and sexual license which would later entwine itself into Freemasonry and the various Hellfire clubs and the Bavarian Illuminati which all seemed to present themselves on the scene within a close time-frame and as we have seen, many of the members were intricately connected to each society.​

The Alumbrados believed that it was possible to reach a state of union with God whereby one could freely indulge in sinful acts and express sexual desires freely. They too believed in a kind of direct revelation of God, whereby they could actually obtain direct communication with him. This is enough to give pause and make one question just what it was that these people thought they were actually contacting. What voices and delusions overthrew them and led them to believe it was God itself they were trafficking with? We cannot know how exactly the Alumbrados pursued this path to ‘contact’ but we can examine the work of Ignacio de Loyola for a clue since the Jesuits were the inheritors of this subversive heretical tradition which managed to find a home within the Catholic church and Loyola was even summoned to stand before an ecclesiastic commission while he was studying in Salamanca in 1527 on a charge of being in league with the Alumbrados.​

The book The Jesuit Order as a Synagogue of Jews by Robert Aleksander Maryks goes into extensive detail exploring the particular ethno-religious conflicts of the period during the early years of the Jesuits and the ongoing attempts of various groups to wrest control of the direction of the order. It seemed largely to be a contest between Jews who had apparently converted to Christianity and non-Jewish Christians. It is revealed that most of the original directors of the organisation were Jews, although there are rumours and suspicions that Loyola himself was a Converso this is not made explicit in the book.​

It is worth noting that Philip II of Spain observed that “all the heresies in Germany, France, and Spain have been sown by descendants of Jews” and the Inquisition was formed precisely to root out the heretical corruptions of ‘converso’ Jews, or Jews who now professed to be Christian but who may secretly still have practised their former faith and who may indeed have a particular interest in attacking Christianity from within.​

Born in Azeiptia in the Kingdom of Castille, which in 15th Century Spain was the centre of Alumbrado activity, there can be no doubt that Loyola would have been familiar with Kabbalistic treatments and was an associate of the Alumbrados.​

Ignacio de Loyola was born Inigo Lopez, Lopez, although a Spanish surname meaning ‘son of the wolf’ is also considered a Sephardic Jewish surname. It is thought that Inigo Lopez changed his name to Ignacio de Loyola to allay any suspicions about possible Marrano origins and place him within the context of indigenous Spanish nobility. As a young man he became a servant of the Spanish nobleman Juan Velázquez de Cuéllar, who was treasurer to the Spanish King, King Ferdinand. He was said to have had a carousing and dissolute life of a knight until he suffered a bad leg wound fighting the French in the battle of Pamplona. The sudden reversal in his fortunes, the terrible pain of his shattered leg and the ongoing torture as the doctors continuously tried to set and reset it must have inspired some of the dark rhetoric which informs his Spiritual Exercises which are the mental conditioning manual for the infamous Jesuit Order.​

Once when Inigo was preaching on the street, three women who had been investigated by the Inquisition for being members of the Alumbrados started experiencing suspicious ecstatic states:​

"One fell senseless, another sometimes rolled about on the ground, another had been seen in the grip of convulsions or shuddering and sweating in anguish." Inigo himself had been imprisoned on being suspected of being Alumbrado but was eventually released without charge.​

It’s suspicious since such activity has historically been considered to be a sign of demonic possession. That fact that Inigo was able to elicit a kind of resonant demonic possession in these three Alumbrado women indicates that he himself was probably operating under the impulse and control of the demonic realm.​

The Spiritual Exercises form the key element of preparing the mind for acceptance into the Jesuit mental framework though I would say that the key aim is the auto-induction into psychosis through the deliberate and continual contemplation, in the words of Loyola: “to see with the sight of the imagination”. The fifth exercise for example, is a mediation on Hell. The novitiate is required by stages, or degrees you might say, to visualise Hell, to place himself there with his mind.​

“The first Point will be to see with the sight of the imagination the great fires, and the souls as in bodies of fire. Second Point. The second, to hear with the ears wailings, howlings, cries, blasphemies against Christ our Lord and against all His Saints.”​

In general the system of the Jesuits is as I have stated, seems to be a fast track to auto-initiated psychosis. As we have heard the Rosicrucians have a psychic initiatory framework whereby degrees and information are revealed psychically to particular favoured people. It is my contention that the Jesuit system is the same and it does this by establishing contact with some kind of ‘astral agency’ which can only approach the human psyche once it is sufficiently weakened and unable to resist. Of course the Jesuits think this is God and since their system tells them that it is, and that they are suitably humbling themselves and wallowing in their sins, in order to apparently make them fully repentant enough to be worthy of God’s favour. Repeatedly the Jesuit Spiritual Exercise make plain their aim to invoke confusion and shame in the novitiate.​

“The first Point will be to bring the memory on the First Sin, which was that of the Angels, and then to bring the intellect on the same, discussing it; then the will, wanting to recall and understand all this in order to make me more ashamed and confound me more, bringing into comparison with the one sin of the Angels my so many sins, and reflecting, while they for one sin were cast into Hell, how often I have deserved it for so many…”​

“it will be to ask shame and confusion at myself, seeing how many have been damned for only one mortal sin, and how many times I deserved to be condemned forever for my so many sins.”​

Thus he is specifically instructed to pray for pain, torment, shame and confusion and to see himself in the lowest terms:​

“to see all my bodily corruption and foulness; to look at myself as a sore and ulcer, from which have sprung so many sins and so many iniquities and so very vile poison.”​

It goes without saying that the most obvious fallacy here is that he is appealing to God, the presumed creator of humanity and all life on Earth, either directly or indirectly, while presenting himself as an example of God’s creation in the lowest and foulest possible terms. Such self-abasement has nothing appealing in spiritual terms and if anything might only possibly appeal to a being who has a great hatred of humanity, such a well-known adversary we do not need to name here for fear of labouring a point.​

Additionally these ‘prayers’ or ‘invocations’ or whatever once might call them, are often under instruction to take place just after midnight or in total darkness:​

“..to deprive myself of all light, closing the blinds and doors while I am in the room, if it be not to recite prayers, to read and eat.”​

“at midnight, bringing myself to confusion for my so many sins, setting examples, as, for instance, if a knight found himself before his king and all his court, ashamed and confused at having much offended him, from whom he had first received many gifts and many favors: in the same way, in the second Exercise, making myself a great sinner and in chains; that is to say going to appear bound as in chains before the Supreme Eternal Judge; taking for an example how prisoners in chains and already deserving death, appear before their temporal judge.”​

Again it is evident to most according to millennia of religious and metaphysical literature that God and the angels are usually associated with light while other types of beings and unwholesome spirits are generally, in the folklore, said to be most active and abroad at night and in conditions of darkness.​

The gist of the Spiritual Exercises seems to be instead of drawing closer to God and achieving a more positive relationship with the divine creative principle, the contrary seems to be the logical outcome. The repeated invocation of shame, of ones loathsome sinful nature and finally the:​

“…understanding how in sinning and acting against the Infinite Goodness, he has been justly condemned forever.”​

In fact the Spiritual Exercises specifically deny contemplation on the positive aspects of the Christian message and of Jesus’ ministry, but instead to continually ruminate on death and judgement exclusively:​

“Not to want to think on things of pleasure or joy, such as heavenly glory, the Resurrection, etc. Because whatever consideration of joy and gladness hinders our feeling pain and grief and shedding tears for our sins: but to keep before me that I want to grieve and feel pain, bringing to memory rather Death and Judgment.”​

Nor indeed to think of the Good News Jesus brought, of our salvation through his sacrifice/murder by the proto-Rabbinical authorities following their own traditions alien to Torah Judaism but instead:​

“force myself to grieve, be sad and weep.”​

Furthermore Jesuits are taught:​

“Not to laugh nor say a thing provocative of laughter…(and) restrain my sight, except in receiving or dismissing the person with whom I have spoken.”​

This leads to the creation of a peculiarly unappealing personality. One who does not laugh or enjoy humour and is not interested in encouraging humour of laughter in others, not only that but a man who will only make eye contact twice, upon receiving and dismissing someone. Such rules are designed to further alienate such a person from his fellows and the simple human pleasures of human fellowship. This could only be forbidden by someone wanting to make someone estranged from goodness and languishing only as we have seen, in pain and torment. C.S.Lewis reminds us that God wants only the best for us and certainly would not have created the majesty and wonder of the world in order for us to be self-flagellating slaves crippling ourselves and renouncing even the good things about the human experience.​

The Jesuits are even encouraged not to take any simple pleasure in the eating food:​

“Another time, while he is eating, he can take another consideration, either on the life of Saints, or on some pious Contemplation, or on some spiritual affair which he has to do, because, being intent on such thing, he will take less delight and feeling in the corporal food.”​

Focusing on the bad and renouncing the good can only have the effect of making a man become what he focusses on: evil. And this I have no doubt was the devious aim of the Jesuit organisation: the inculcation of a militant band of priests languishing in evil, cutting themselves off from humanity, goodness and becoming brooding beings of pestilence, death and sin. Nothing good can come from such auto-suggestion because as Proverbs remind us:​

“For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he.”​

Not only were the Jesuits told to take no pleasure from life and “ to leave off the superfluous of delicate or soft things” but indeed to actually provoke pain and damage to their own bodies:​

“to chastise the flesh, that is, giving it sensible pain, which is given by wearing haircloth or cords or iron chains next to the flesh, by scourging or wounding oneself, and by other kinds of austerity.”​

Loyola also praises fear, servile fear no less, as a way, if not the best way, to serve God, but this directly contradicts Biblical teaching which tells us:​

“God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind” (2 Timothy 1:7).​

“Although serving God our Lord much out of pure love is to be esteemed above all; we ought to praise much the fear of His Divine Majesty, because not only filial fear is a thing pious and most holy, but even servile fear -- when the man reaches nothing else better or more useful -- helps much to get out of mortal sin. And when he is out, he easily comes to filial fear, which is all acceptable and grateful to God our Lord: as being at one with the Divine Love.”​

This focusing on fear, doom, terror and all such negative qualities seems to be the key focus of the Jesuit system and it is ironic that we find a similar mental framework being evoked in the 1st degree initiation into the arch-enemy of the Catholic church, the Royal Black Lodge, a high level of the protestant Orange Order of Northern Ireland said to have taken its rites and history from the Knights Templar. The following extract is from evangelicaltruth.com:​

“In this interview the Black Grand Registrar reveals much about the actual nature of the Royal Black and its very reason for existence. In essence, he admits that it is a secret Order that is immersed in the accoutrements of death. He admits that it is a society that is in a continual state of mourning. Take away the mourning and the Black loses its identity. It is an Order that proudly parades the symbols of death as an outward representation of its inward beliefs and spiritual psyche.​

The skull and cross-bones is not merely a Black emblem but is an important exhibit used in its ritual initiations and in certain secret formal gatherings to lay stress upon, or represent secret esoteric teaching. In probably one of the most shocking practices existing within the Loyal Orders, the candidate entering the first degree of the Black – the Royal Black degree – is met with a display of human remains. There, before him, sits an actual human skull and bones amidst a gathering of sober Black brethren. As the entrant views the human skull he is solemnly instructed on the teaching of the Black on death, the resurrection and eternity.”​

Interestingly the same website gives details of the sequence of events in the initiation and we find the interesting detail:​

“Something on a table under a white cloth being uncovered, was perceived to be a human skull, which the witness was desired to take up, and view it, and was told it was a real skull of a brother called Simon Magus. Porter was poured into the skull, which the witness was desired to drink; he did so, and it was handed round the whole Knights.”​

So here we have a recipe for the auto-induction of psychosis, schizophrenia and demonic possession, and it is clear at times that Loyola himself is in a state of deep spiritual confusion and trapped at times in just the kind of manic-uncertainty can lead to the development of chronic conditions of psychosis, in fact the following example might lead the disinterested reader, if he or she has any knowledge of the kind of manias and inescapable double-binds that many suffering from severe mental illness suffer from, the following one assumes that Loyola must have stepped on the cracks in the pavement, visualising them as a Christian cross:​

“After I have stepped on that cross, or after I have thought or said or done some other thing, there comes to me a thought from without that I have sinned, and on the other hand it appears to me that I have not sinned; still I feel disturbance in this; that is to say, in as much as I doubt and in as much as I do not doubt. That is a real scruple and temptation which the enemy sets.”​

The thirteenth rule of Loyola’s Jesuits as outlined in his Spiritual Exercise is as follows and must surely be the most damning especially if we consider that Jesus said of himself: “I am the way, the truth and the life.” For the Jesuits, the ‘truth’ is whatever the institution of the Roman Church says it is:​

“Thirteenth Rule. To be right in everything, we ought always to hold that the white which I see, is black, if the Hierarchical Church so decides it..”​

Strangely, Loyola seemed to have an inkling of what he was doing and perhaps he was in some doubts as to whether his Spiritual Exercises were not in fact demonically inspired and that reading the following extracts and then comparing it to the broader work in general we may see that he had unwittingly given the key and explanation to the creation of not only his own work, but the Jesuit order and their operations in the world to this present day:​

“The enemy looks much if a soul is gross or delicate, and if it is delicate, he tries to make it more delicate in the extreme, to disturb and embarrass it more. For instance, if he sees that a soul does not consent to either mortal sin or venial or any appearance of deliberate sin, then the enemy, when he cannot make it fall into a thing that appears sin, aims at making it make out sin where there is not sin, as in a word or very small thought.”​

 

[Wikkiidd]

It is me, Wikkiidd. You are a fool not to see their works. They share the same deity Satan. Just like all secret societies. Icke has always been a shill. Someday you (and who ever) must let go of the windy speaker. Time (Cronos) is up for all us worldwide. FOOD is going to become scarce stateside everywhere in the next 3 month.

 

[Truthspoon]

I'm no fool. I can show my work........ my post prior makes it clear that the Jesuits were created by Jewish Alumbrados....... And it is the Jesuits which have steered the course of corruption for the Catholic Church.....

You have to respect facts Wikkid old lad........ You can't just pretend they don't exist.

 

[Firestarter]

Vatican City is key to the NWO, period. Stop with 'Rome opposes 'Freemasonry' already.

In the Alumbrados we find a development of the broad themes of the Kabbalah and the beliefs of the Alumbrados are a good snapshot of the kind of spirit of sensuality and sexual license which would later entwine itself into Freemasonry and the various Hellfire clubs and the Bavarian Illuminati which all seemed to present themselves on the scene within a close time-frame and as we have seen, many of the members were intricately connected to each society.

I didn't know which of the text here would be best to quote.
Here's a little information on freemasonry....


"Freemasonry is neither more nor less than Rosicrucianism as modified by those who transplanted it in England, whence it was re-exported to the other countries of Europe."

In 1616, the first Rosicrucian tract - the "Fama'' - is written, calling for the formation of a Brotherhood of the Rosy Cross.
This is followed by several other Rosicrucian documents, all claiming to have solved the riddle of the relationship between the microcosm and the macrocosm.

According to John Robinson, all of the original members of the Royal Society were Freemasons, with Rosicrucian elements.

Carolingian dynasty and the Order of the Garter - Page 7 - Lawful Path Forums

Freemasonry was founded as a hierarchical brotherhood of lodges, ultimately controlled by/through the United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE).
This (first) Grand Lodge was officially founded on 24 June 1717, after George I became king of Great Britain in 1714.

All Grand Masters of the United Grand Lodge of England from 1813 till present were also Knights of the Garter.
The Grand Master of UGLE since 1967 is Prince Edward, Duke of Kent, who also became a Knight of the Garter in 1985.

Carolingian dynasty and the Order of the Garter - Page 8 - Lawful Path Forums

 

[Wikkiidd]

Roman Catholic has & never will be of the True Living God. Goy are cannon fodder of the masonic order. You still defend the worst fake Christian 'church ' the world shall ever know. What happens to lands that boot these child killers out? Those beanie caps BOTH sects wear not enough? SATURN WORRSHIP. Talmud & Rome both share the same Babylonian teachings. I renounce both, for they are of their father the devil. Never tapped into the occult, eh? Just another Icke fan?