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[WhiteKingWins]

Guess this isn't the right time in the chat to ask your thaughts on National Socialism then ?

 

[Truthspoon]

I didn't know which of the text here would be best to quote.
Here's a little information on freemasonry....


"Freemasonry is neither more nor less than Rosicrucianism as modified by those who transplanted it in England, whence it was re-exported to the other countries of Europe."

In 1616, the first Rosicrucian tract - the "Fama'' - is written, calling for the formation of a Brotherhood of the Rosy Cross.
This is followed by several other Rosicrucian documents, all claiming to have solved the riddle of the relationship between the microcosm and the macrocosm.

According to John Robinson, all of the original members of the Royal Society were Freemasons, with Rosicrucian elements.

Carolingian dynasty and the Order of the Garter - Page 7 - Lawful Path Forums

Freemasonry was founded as a hierarchical brotherhood of lodges, ultimately controlled by/through the United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE).
This (first) Grand Lodge was officially founded on 24 June 1717, after George I became king of Great Britain in 1714.

All Grand Masters of the United Grand Lodge of England from 1813 till present were also Knights of the Garter.
The Grand Master of UGLE since 1967 is Prince Edward, Duke of Kent, who also became a Knight of the Garter in 1985.

Carolingian dynasty and the Order of the Garter - Page 8 - Lawful Path Forums

Hi Firestarter.... I compiled this information about the formation of Freemasonry and the relevance of the Rosicrucians:

https://www.truthspoon.com/2022/04/kabbalistic-freemasonry.html

KABBALISTIC FREEMASONRY​

Official history records the first Freemasonic lodge was founded on the 24th June 1717 at the Goose and Gridiron alehouse in London but there has been a presence of Freemasonry prior to this date for several hundred years, perhaps it is only in 1717 that Freemasonry effectively began its slow emergence from the subterranean underground it had hitherto inhabited and commenced the next stage of its long term, millennial plan.

In his book about ‘The Hiram Key’ Freemason Christopher Knight states plainly that: “there appears to have been a significant Freemasonic infrastructure in place in London, well before 1646.”

1646 is a significant date because it is on this date that the first documented record of someone being initiated into Freemasonry was made. On 16th October 1646, antiquarian and member of the Royal Society and later founder of the Oxford Ashmolean Museum of Art and Archaeology at Oxford, Elias Ashmole in his dairy records:

"I was made a Free Mason at Warrington in Lancashire, with Coll: Henry Mainwaring of Karincham in Cheshire.”

At this date during the English Civil War Warrington was a stronghold of the Parliamentarians and Colonel Henry Mainwaring was a Roundhead Parliamentarian friend of Ashmole’s father-in-law. Ashmole was interested in Hermetic studies and Alchemy and published several books on the subject.

The following is from the website of the Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia which seems to be some kind of international rival to the largest Rosicrucian organisation in the word, the mighty AMORC founded in 1915 and preceded by the Societas Rosicruciana which was founded in 1865 by Robert Wentworth Little and recruits from among Master Masons while AMORC is a group which seems to require little more than the completion of an online application from and the payment of annual dues of £246. They seem to organise open-evenings at UK Friends House, UK headquarters of the Quakers opposite Euston Station in London and I am surprised that they are happy to throw their lot in with a quasi-Satanic Kabbalistic organisations like this one, but I also saw Benjamin Crème at Friends House going on about his daft Maitreya but I suppose he had to pay the Quakers for the use of the room and presumably they put the money to good use.

Quoting from the Societas Rosicruciana website:

“Some Masonic historians believe that modern Speculative Freemasonry owes much to the Rosicrucian movement. Certainly, the earliest recorded speculative Freemasons in England, Sir Robert Moray and Elias Ashmole, if not themselves Rosicrucians, were deeply interested in Rosicrucian philosophy and ideals – ideals that perhaps provided their motive for establishing The Royal Society. The Rosicrucian Society of England was founded in 1867 by the freemason Robert Wentworth Little and six other brethren following the discovery of certain manuscripts in the archives of Grand Lodge. Many eminent and scholarly masons have been members of the Order.”

Initiated into Freemasonry in 1771 the German poet Gotthold Ephraim Lessing in 1778 wrote five dialogues on Freemasonry entitled: "Ernst und Falk: Conversations for Freemasons."
From Secret Societies and Subversive Movements:

“The dialogues between Ernst and Falk throw a curious light on the influences at work behind Freemasonry at this period and gain immensely in interest when the identity of the two men in question is understood. Thus Ernst, by whom Lessing evidently represents himself, is at the beginning not a Freemason, and, whilst sitting with Falk in a wood, questions the high initiate on the aims of the Order. Falk explains that Freemasonry has always existed, but not under this name. Its real purpose has never been revealed. On the surface it appears to be a purely philanthropic association, but in reality philanthropy forms no part of its scheme, its object being to bring about a state of things which will render philanthropy unnecessary…As an illustration Falk points to an ant-heap at the foot of the tree beneath which the two men are seated. ‘Why,’ he asks, ‘should not human beings exist without government like the ants or bees?’ Falk then goes on to describe his idea of a Universal State, or rather a federation of States, in which men will no longer be divided by national, social, or religious prejudices, and where greater equality will exist.”

What is interesting again is that same refrain, the same tune and the same words, whether it be spoken by elite Jewish Freemasons or messages apparently beamed into people’s heads by aliens.

In the dialogues is the hint that Freemasonry is controlled by something far older and most Freemasons have no idea what is really happening or what they are involved with. And that as Falk himself as a Jew, does not attend Masonic lodges and that Freemasonry does not exist in an ‘outward form’ and he says:

“A lodge bears the same relation to Freemasonry as a church to belief."

And Webster Nesta’s comments:

“In other words, the real initiates do not appear upon the scene. Here then we see the role of the "Concealed Superiors."

It seems clear then that it is made explicit that Falk, as a Kabbalist Jew, is one of the elect ‘concealed superiors’ of Freemasonry, however he does not attend the lodges and exists as a ‘hidden master’.

The Freemason Andrew Michael Ramsey states that Freemasonry was created by the Crusader knights, stating that medieval crusaders, likely the Knights Templar, founded Freemasonry. But there is a myth of an even earlier foundation according to Freemason Henrik Bogdan in his paper entitled An Introduction to the High Degrees of Freemasonry:

“The name Heredon, more commonly spelled as Heredom (and sometimes as Harodim), is the name given to a mythical mountain supposed to exist north of Kilwinning, Scotland. According to a Masonic myth, associated particularly with Ecossais Masonry, the Masons were driven away from Jerusalem after the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem and subsequently found their way to this mountain in Scotland. They remained on this mountain until the time of the Crusades.”

Lodge Mother Kilwinning is generally held to be the oldest Masonic lodge in the world and has its origins in the 12th Century, almost 500 years prior to Freemasonry’s supposed creation in London at the Apple Tree Tavern in 1716. Freemasonry in Scotland supposedly developed under the reign of King David I and the Heredom degree with a Rosy Cross degree originating in 1314 following the Battle of Bannockburn which has long been rumoured to have been decisively won in Scotland’s favour due to the intercession of a band of mysterious knights who may have been the Knights Templar.

One of the earliest known reference to the Rosicrucians was in a poem The Muses Threnodie from 1638 by Scotsman Henry Adamson:

“For we be brethren of the Rosie Crosse,
We have the Mason word, and second sight,
Things for to come we can foretell aright..”

Robert Fludd wrote several works on the Rosy Cross in the early 17th century; Fludd has also been called ‘the Father of Freemasonry’. Robert Fludd spent time studying with the Jesuits in Pyrenees. His theory of the ‘tripartite’ nature of creation where he believes that ‘the divine light’ was the active agent responsible for creation and that the sun literally contains the ‘Spirit of the Lord’ and that this same ‘spirit’ circulates through man is interesting and predates my own and other theories of the true nature of light as the transcendent God element of reality and my own writing where I indicate that the sun is a portal connecting this higher subatomic realm of infinite God energy and sending it out into our material realm to populate the universe with life.

A very early Rosicrucian illustration from 1604 shows the ‘Tree of Sophia’ and bears a strong concordance with the Kabbalistic Tree of Life is also annotated with Hebrew characters. Robert Fludd was also said to have been a Kabbalist. The famous satirist writer of Gulliver’s Travels and Freemason Jonathan Swift writes of the history of Masonry in Scotland:

“The famous old Scottish lodge of Kilwinnin of which all the Kings of Scotland have been from Time to Time Grand Masters without interruption, down from the days of Fergus, who reigned more than 2000 years ago, long before the Knights of St. John of Jerusalem or the Knights of Malta, to which lodges I nevertheless allow the Honour of having adorned the Antient Jewish and Pagan Masonry with Religious and Christian Rules.”

He also makes an allusion to Rosicrucians and expressly associates it with Kabbalah:
“Fergus…was carefully instructed in all the Arts and Sciences, especially in the Natural Magick, and the Caballistical Philosophy (afterwards called the Rosecrution) by the Pagan Druids of Ireland and Mona, the only true Caballists then Extant in the Western World… I am told by Men of Learning that the Occult as well as Moral Philosophy of all the Pagans was well besprinkled and enrich’d from the Caballistical School of the Patriarchs…and Rabbins.”

Laurence Dermott Irish Grand Secretary of the ‘antient’ movement of Freemasonry of the middle of the 18th century also refers to a Kabbalistic tradition endemic and perhaps fundamental to Freemasonry.

“…that at Solomon’s Temple (and not before) it received the Name of Free-Masonry, because the Masons at Jerusalem and Tyre were the greatest Cabalists* then in the World; that the Mystery has been, for the most Part, practiced amongst Builders since Solomon’s Time.”
From the excellent researcher Marsha Schuchard in her article about Scottish Kabbalistic Freemasonry:

“….his reference to Ramon Lull provides a good starting point for my narrative, which will chronologically trace some “ancient” sources of the ‘Antients.’ Why did Swift assert that the teachings of Lull, the 13th-century Spanish mystic and polymath, could provide a key to the very essence of Masonry? Lull had drawn on Cabalistic and Sufi mystical teachings to develop mnemonic and meditation techniques that made possible encyclopedic learning and architectural visualization, which he believed were useful accomplishments for stonemasons and other craftsmen, and for his friends among the crusading Knights Templar, who could thus become ‘illuminated’ knights.

To develop the Art of Memory, Lull drew upon the meditation techniques of Jewish Merkabah mysticism and the Sepher Yetzirah, in which the adept rebuilds the Temple of Jerusalem in his imagination. As the Art developed, it involved the visualization of a building, palace, or temple in which images of intellectual concepts, historical facts, and/or geometrical relations were placed in special rooms, which facilitated their permanent placement in the initiate’s memory and mind. In a condensed and simplified form, it was useful to the operative mason’s ability to visualize complex geometrical and structural relations through architectural imaging. The intense mental concentration sometimes produced a trance state, in which some practitioners believed that they achieved prophetic vision or ‘second sight.’”

We find something like an ‘agenda’ of the Rosicrucians made explicit in the Confessio Fraternitatis printed in 1615:

"What think you, loving people, and how seem you affected, seeing that you now understand and know, that we acknowledge ourselves truly and sincerely to profess Christ, condemn the Pope, addict ourselves to the true Philosophy, lead a Christian life, and daily call, entreat and invite many more unto our Fraternity, unto whom the same Light of God likewise appeareth?"
The anti-Catholic tenor ought to intrigue us and perhaps could be part of the demonstrated movement to destroy Christianity piecemeal by first dividing it with schism and then opposing the arms of Catholics and Protestants against each other, at least this is what we can ascertain if we plot the activities of the international merchant class from the period of Henry VIII and Thomas Cromwell through the various revolutionary movements culminating, at least for now in the Russian Revolution.

Martin Luther’s personal insignia was a rose with a cross inside indicating that he too was a Rosicrucian. Just to make it clear I am not a Catholic and have no particular allegiance, I am however a Christian. What I query is that although the protestant reformation led to many good things for Christian expression it also very severely weakened Christianity as a global force able to defend its nations and empires. We are now, unfortunately, living in a world where we have been subjected totally by the banking fraternity and have had no institution to defend against them for a couple of hundred years. Now that their financial and political dominance over us is absolute, they are now attacking our social and moral values, and again, we have no institution able to defend our moral values, our culture and history from attack. None of this would have been possible without the first cracks being made into the edifice of the Church and the final fatal splitting of schism. It is my belief that the Rosicrucian agenda was precisely this and it is they, as precursors to the Freemasons and as Kabbalists taught by Jews, whose purpose it was to undertake the first steps in the long-term goal of subjugating the West by first encouraging division in the church. Although with the benefit of hindsight we can clearly see that the Catholic Church has behaved in the tyrannical and despotic manner of an institution whose primary goal is the maintenance of its own power base and orthodoxy at all cost, even at the expense of directly contradicting Jesus and his Earthly ministry.

We can find further clues connecting Rosicrucianism with Jewish identity in the Chymical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz. The story begins at the end of Passover followed by Chag HaMatzoty the seven days of unleavened bread and the chemical wedding coincides with the end of this period and the roasting of the Paschal lamb.

The story is full of allegory and numerological codes and while it superficially presents itself from a Judeo-Christian perspective it is secretly extolling the Kabbalah. The seven days before the ‘wedding’, which had been identified as a Christian allegory of the creation of the world and the ‘wedding’ to superficial appearance is a Christian allegory based on the wedding at Canaan and Jesus describing himself as the bridegroom, but in this case the number seven refers to the seven movements along the Kabbalistic tree of life and the ‘wedding’ is a reference to the union of the ‘bride’ or Malkuth, the human station of the Tree of Life, with an aspect of the divine emanation, mentioned in the key Kabbalistic text the Zohar.



Continued:

https://www.truthspoon.com/2022/04/kabbalistic-freemasonry.html

 

[I AM ALL I AM]

Vatican City is key to the NWO, period. Stop with 'Rome opposes 'Freemasonry' already. It does you no service what so ever to defend the Harlot 'church'.

G'day Wikkiidd.

The Vatican has its own lodge, the P2.

The Roman language, Latin, is used in the legal system, for instance, the term 'bench', which denotes what the magistrate/judge sits on, means 'bank' in Latin.

The calendar is the Gregorian calendar, from Pope Gregory, which replaced the Julian calendar.

The medical system uses Latin in the description of the physicality, for instance, latisimus dorsi, glutimus maximus, etc, etc. Also, the idea of a 'virus' and therefore 'Germ Theory' started around 400 years ago with a Roman Catholic Jesuit priest. :EDIT: I should have also stated that 'Corona' = 'Crown.

The Roman Catholic Church owns the Crown corporation, which apart from all of its wealth from corporate enterprises, is the largest land owner in the world as it owns all 'Crown Land'.

The 'leaders' of the nations around the world all bow to the pope and kiss the ring on his hand.

The Roman Catholic Church doesn't pay any taxes.

Now, if you were in charge of / running the world, surely you would have control of the legal system, the medical establishment, all corporate enterprises, the 'leader of nations', how time is counted and perceived, as well as not paying any taxes.

Yet apparently you are not supposed to recognise this and if you do, you are supposed to remain silent about it ... silence, the tool of pedophiles used to remain 'hidden'.

 

[Wikkiidd]

Rome is the 'system' or the 'beast'. THEY print the money (only a tool for the goy). THEY laid claim to all lands in her name. THEY lay claim to Gods church on earth. Their works speak (evil) for it's self. And the WWII 'theater? You saw PATTON kneel to her. You saw German command do likewise. This was covered all over the old TZ in numerous threads. But the AH crowd ignored the Vatican's crimes to this day. Fake Semites & 'Rome' are the cause of all this misery presently. ICke is shill master. Yet, some still cannot let go & condemn the man who resides on the Isle of Man! Its a Freemason den of vipers that isle.

 

[Wikkiidd]

Guess this isn't the right time in the chat to ask your thaughts on National Socialism then ?

That is just another 'ism' or system of rule. Pipe dream to defeat a foe that is supernatural. Presently they preparing to have a ID 'chip to the survivors of this kill shot. No 'chip, no food. Mark of the BEast anyone? This is straight away End Times out of the bible. The DNA altering kill shot? Just like the days of Noah. That Flood? Yes it was. So, dream of a peaceful utopia, gained by votes & guns against a foe you woefully underestimate. It will be just that.

 

[WhiteKingWins]

That is just another 'ism' or system of rule. Pipe dream to defeat a foe that is supernatural. Presently they preparing to have a ID 'chip to the survivors of this kill shot. No 'chip, no food. Mark of the BEast anyone? This is straight away End Times out of the bible. The DNA altering kill shot? Just like the days of Noah. That Flood? Yes it was. So, dream of a peaceful utopia, gained by votes & guns against a foe you woefully underestimate. It will be just that.

Alrighty then

 

[Wikkiidd]

So, where does the goy begin to cleanse the land of the elite? Gather in mass & revolt w/pistols/rifles & votes? K. And WKW did you take the vax? Myself, no.

 

[Truthspoon]

So, where does the goy begin to cleanse the land of the elite? Gather in mass & revolt w/pistols/rifles & votes? K. And WKW did you take the vax? Myself, no.

It's not going to happen I'm afraid. Humans are just too dumb and cowardly.

They'll only rise up and start throwing molotov cocktails about if someone is giving them a paycheque to do so.... So if there ever is a revolution you know it will be Jew money being thrown around so the Goys destroy their own existing structures.

So....now you know this, plan accordingly. Isolate as best you can from human stupidity and prepare for the worst..... but don't forget there is an infinitely more incredible reality beyond this theatre of shadows.

 

[WhiteKingWins]

So, where does the goy begin to cleanse the land of the elite? Gather in mass & revolt w/pistols/rifles & votes? K. And WKW did you take the vax? Myself, no.

No , vax free here

 

[WhiteKingWins]

Alright well , I sometimes visit infowars to see Jones freak out a bit and sometimes he has some news on there as well

So Icke has an interview with Jones today

Im not going to post it because its a waste of time

Within the first ten minutes Icke leans in to the camera and says the secret is they have no power , only the power we give them

Well Dave

Where the fuck have you just been for two years ?

They have no power ? LoL

Look what they just pulled off and not one of those fuckers will get as much as a slap on the wrist because Dave ....

THEY CURRENTLY HAVE ALL THE POWER

Don't bother me with that tripping balls spiritual bullshit either

Icke isn't helping at all

You might as well watch an episode of Friends and forget you ever set foot on Earth

 

[Truthspoon]

I tend to agree White Knight.

Icke's blather is like a frontal lobotomy for the balls (ok weird analogy)....

Same old highfalutin' self-congratulating, head in the clouds, New-Age shit.....

It is theoretically true that we would have the power if everyone threw out their TV's and cancelled the papers, and all decided to wake up, not going into work anymore and just all hit the streets, but it's also true that if you put an infinite number of monkeys and typewriters in a room they would produce the complete works of Shakespeare.

But nether of those things are going to happen.

So what's plan B Dave?

Because people are not waking up. They are all stuck inside watching TV and believing what the Jews want them to believe.

Your plan A has got us no-where.

 

[WhiteKingWins]

There are active minded people doing far more to challenge the ever shifting status quo than Icke

They are also aware that for anything to change the power has to be confronted

With that said , it's a monumental task ahead but if a person never even takes the first step then the journey will remain as nothing but another " interview " where false prophecy will be made about some mythical awakening " coming soon "

Hope rhymes with Cope and both of those things are inaction by nature

If we want a place in this world worth a damn we are going to have to do much better than bullshitting to each other about " them " having no power

Its a huge pile of nonsense

 

[I AM ALL I AM]

G'day WhiteKingWins.

Every individual has the same 'power' as any other individual. This 'power' is self-determination, also known as free will.

Those in positions of authority have usurped the 'power' of the population so that the population will do as those in authority tell them to do. T.H.E.Y. (The Hierarchy Enslaving You) have no 'power' over you unless you give them your 'power' of self-determination.

Free will, your 'power', your self-determination is given away, no one has taken it. The belief that your 'power' can be taken away is the 'magicians trick', because no matter what, even if someone is holding a gun to your head and demanding that you do something that they tell you to do, it still is and will always be your choice as to what you do. After all, you can refuse no matter what the threat held over your head is.

Find those willing to refuse to do as they are told and stand together. In doing so, those in authority become powerless. United we stand, united we achieve.

 

[WhiteKingWins]

I don't believe everyone has the same power or inclination to think for themselves.

I don't believe we are all created equally or that we can all achieve the same things if we are all given exactly the same opportunity to do so.

To put it simply my experience in life and what led me to think like this is watching real people behave the way they do as they are going about their daily tasks.

I was once in certain circles of musicians and wannabe rock stars.

I know without doubt that some people have a talent you cant teach and some people try very hard to learn but just don't have " it "

I knew lots of people who can cover pretty much any song you can think of given the time. They can recreate the music and belt out a harmonious vocal along with it.

But ask them to write their own music , their own songs , their own lyrics and it just isn't there. They can't do it. It just isn't in them to do it.

I feel the same way about all this talk of the " people " having the real power.

Some might have it and will forever want to stand when others kneel, but the vast majority ?

No. It's just not in them to have it.

 

[WhiteKingWins]

I don't mind sounding fatalistic or pessimistic tbh. It is what it is.

The vast majority of people are going to live and die having changed nothing but their own underwear.

And even some of those people fail to do that often enough.

 

[I AM ALL I AM]

.....
I was once in certain circles of musicians and wannabe rock stars.

I know without doubt that some people have a talent you cant teach and some people try very hard to learn but just don't have " it "

I knew lots of people who can cover pretty much any song you can think of given the time. They can recreate the music and belt out a harmonious vocal along with it.

But ask them to write their own music , their own songs , their own lyrics and it just isn't there. They can't do it. It just isn't in them to do it.
.....

G'day WhiteKingWins.

Great analogy that presents the microcosm within the macrocosm.

I have discussed this issue with musicians, though I believe that everyone has "it".

The main issue in the self-expression of writing your own songs is the indoctrination into believing some form of superiority because of your 'training' to play a musical instrument. The process itself inhibits freedom of expression as well.

In the majority, people learn a musical instrument by playing other peoples music. For instance, playing the guitar, songs are 'taught' from some 'song book' of a collection of songs from another musician(s) instead of writing your own song(s) and using the music you write to learn or practice on the instrument. It is a conditioning process of playing other peoples music, which instills the idea that other peoples music is superior to anything you could write yourself.

As an example, an individual starts to learn to play the guitar, in which they use a song book of music written by The Beatles. The belief the individual has in their own ability is based solely on how well they can play those songs. In this process, it is automatically assumed that the songs that they are learning are somehow superior to anything that they themselves could write. This sets up a false idea of their inferiority, which is confirmed by the process itself as they are unable to instantly play the songs on the instrument.

Everyone can recognise one voice from another. Before caller ID, you didn't know who was calling until you answered the phone and heard their voice. Yet as soon as you heard the voice of the caller you knew who it was. You are able to differentiate between all of the voices that you hear, which shows that everyone has perfect pitch with their hearing. Thus there is no superiority in hearing between individuals and considering that music entails hearing the sounds produced on musical instruments, then everyone has the same ability.

Now, this goes a lot further / into greater detail, yet I will leave it there and suggest if you would like to discuss this further that we start a thread specifically for this discussion so as not to take this thread off the topic of the OP any further.

Tying this back in with the 'learning system' / education system / indoctrination system within society, you can see the same built in process of superior vs inferior that is the basis of duality. As with the current situation with virus theory vs terrain theory, it is the belief in one or the other that determines your choices and the belief is based on what you have been indoctrinated with. People are making their choices based on false information and what another individual is telling them instead of becoming informed by thinking for themselves. One of the major factors is because they have been indoctrinated into believing that some individuals are 'smarter' or 'more intelligent' than themselves and they should listen to / follow them.

There are those that follow the ideas of the 'conspiragurus' and have simple swapped one leader for another. In this manner they have not become 'awake' and are as 'asleep' as those that they label 'sheeple'. This is how the people are entranced into remaining separated and stops them from joining together to remove the 'leaders' that feed them false information ... as in fourth-dimensional, shape-shifting, blood-drinking, human-sacrificing, reptilians.

Everyone has the same capabilities. It is whether they engage/use those capabilities or not that determines how well developed those capabilities are.

 

[Wikkiidd]

https://www.brighteon.com/9991a0f8-d757-4151-bf8c-0db7679a7a53 Here! Blow out the candles!

 

[WhiteKingWins]

G'day WhiteKingWins.

Great analogy that presents the microcosm within the macrocosm.

I have discussed this issue with musicians, though I believe that everyone has "it".

The main issue in the self-expression of writing your own songs is the indoctrination into believing some form of superiority because of your 'training' to play a musical instrument. The process itself inhibits freedom of expression as well.

In the majority, people learn a musical instrument by playing other peoples music. For instance, playing the guitar, songs are 'taught' from some 'song book' of a collection of songs from another musician(s) instead of writing your own song(s) and using the music you write to learn or practice on the instrument. It is a conditioning process of playing other peoples music, which instills the idea that other peoples music is superior to anything you could write yourself.

As an example, an individual starts to learn to play the guitar, in which they use a song book of music written by The Beatles. The belief the individual has in their own ability is based solely on how well they can play those songs. In this process, it is automatically assumed that the songs that they are learning are somehow superior to anything that they themselves could write. This sets up a false idea of their inferiority, which is confirmed by the process itself as they are unable to instantly play the songs on the instrument.

Everyone can recognise one voice from another. Before caller ID, you didn't know who was calling until you answered the phone and heard their voice. Yet as soon as you heard the voice of the caller you knew who it was. You are able to differentiate between all of the voices that you hear, which shows that everyone has perfect pitch with their hearing. Thus there is no superiority in hearing between individuals and considering that music entails hearing the sounds produced on musical instruments, then everyone has the same ability.

Now, this goes a lot further / into greater detail, yet I will leave it there and suggest if you would like to discuss this further that we start a thread specifically for this discussion so as not to take this thread off the topic of the OP any further.

Tying this back in with the 'learning system' / education system / indoctrination system within society, you can see the same built in process of superior vs inferior that is the basis of duality. As with the current situation with virus theory vs terrain theory, it is the belief in one or the other that determines your choices and the belief is based on what you have been indoctrinated with. People are making their choices based on false information and what another individual is telling them instead of becoming informed by thinking for themselves. One of the major factors is because they have been indoctrinated into believing that some individuals are 'smarter' or 'more intelligent' than themselves and they should listen to / follow them.

There are those that follow the ideas of the 'conspiragurus' and have simple swapped one leader for another. In this manner they have not become 'awake' and are as 'asleep' as those that they label 'sheeple'. This is how the people are entranced into remaining separated and stops them from joining together to remove the 'leaders' that feed them false information ... as in fourth-dimensional, shape-shifting, blood-drinking, human-sacrificing, reptilians.

Everyone has the same capabilities. It is whether they engage/use those capabilities or not that determines how well developed those capabilities are.

Have to disagree here.

Ive known people who can play various instruments quite well who have been playing for 30+ years. They were pretty good with just about any instrument if they had access to one.

Then along came some youngster who had been playing guitar for 2 years and the 30+ year musician was blown away by what they were hearing.

Because it was original sound , theres some 18 year old creating 10 minute compositions that would make Pink Floyd jealous.

But alongside that theres also timing. Being in the right place at the right time to get noticed.

I once took a demo tape to Manchester for a band I was in. First of all I went to this famous ex musician who still had contacts in the industry because I thaught maybe he would get me an in. One of my family members had an office in the same building as him and kind of knew him in passing. I knew it was almost impossible to get to see him so I rang the intercom doorbell and when he answered I bullshitted and said I was Manchester C.I.D and needed to talk to him about a matter of Police interest.

The door buzzer rang and I got let it and ran up to his studio full of life and balls and introduced myself and slapped the demo tape on his desk. He said " you cheeky fucker this is a great introduction " and sat down to play the tape.

He put me in touch with a woman from Apple who I had to go see the next day as she was leaving town soon after.

So anyway I go to this live venue where her office was and eventually get in to see her. She puts the tape in and starts listening. Its all good feedback she starts asking me if we can do a gig sometime next month to see how the crowd takes it.

She sits there for over an hour listening to this tape , looking me up and down saying " I like it , you look familiar , remind me of this and that " shes asking me if Ive taken the demo anywhere else , do we have a stylist , have you done a photoshoot ....

Then she looks at the tape case and says "whats the name of the band ? " because it was blank. I told her and she said I dont like it you have to change the name. I said I wasnt involved in deciding the name that was up to someone else. She gives me the phone and says call him.

So I called X and told him I was sat in the office of Y and shes into the demo but you need to change the name of the band.

X was an ego maniac and started up fuck her and fuck that its not fucking happening and she can hear him shouting down the phone I said you need to think about it because were this fucking close.

He hung up on me and she said OK well its not happening with that band name Im not having that on my label.

When I went back upstairs to the bar there sat at the bar was this other famous musician at the time and he gave me a huge smile and said well done kid youve been in there over an hour most people dont last 2 minutes. He baught me a drink and I started telling him what had just happened.

He was laughing his face off when I got to the part about the band name and phone call.

He looked at me though and said shes serious about that , if she likes you the worlds your oyster but you have to give her what she wants.

Cut a long story short ( LOL ) it never happened. X refused to change the name of the band. I couldnt ever get back in touch with that woman to even tell her.

That was it , that chance and that moment had passed. The band did do some gigs , went here and there out of our own pocket but it didnt go anywhere.

Years later ( recently actually ) X told me he was approached one night by a guy who gave him an ultimatum. Last chance saloon. Change the name of the band or your blacklisted forever and nobodies coming to offer you anything.

X told him to go fuck himself that night and that was that.

He never told me until recently , we had done a few gigs after that but things didnt get going and we just fucked around getting wasted and into trouble.

Point is , even with some raw talent and a set of brass balls , sometimes its just not meant to be. Shit happens that stops you getting where you want to go.

Anyway its Saturday and I had a bit of spare time to waffle.

 

[I AM ALL I AM]

G'day WhiteKingWins.

Thank you for sharing your experience mate.

 

[Exorcist]

For the record I made copies of the following original DIF threads before they were deleted when the new Crap DIF Forum came on line.
They are threads I was interested in or/and contributed to. They are in jpeg format recorded using FastStone Capture Software which will scroll down a complete forum page in a short time and record every post.

1) NUKE HOAX THREAD
Thread started by anders lindman. First post dated 19-08-2009 - Last post dated 08-03-2013
Total posts copied 362 from 19 pages.

2) CONCRETE EVIDENCE THAT THE HOLOCAUST HAPPENED
Thread started by bjornyvan. First post dated 27-10-2011 - Last post dated 11-11-2011
Total posts copied 40 from 2 pages.

3) DEAD SEA SCROLLS ARE JUST ANOTHER HOAX?
Thread started by rodin. First post dated 15-08-2009 - Last post dated 06-08-2013
Total posts copied 384 from 20 pages.

4) HOLOCAUST DENIAL
Thread started by fratoue. First post dated 08-07-2011 - Last post dated 29-11-2014
Total posts copied 6456 from 323 pages.

5) HUGE LIST OF MOON LANDING HOAX EVIDENCE
Thread started by ericdubay. First post dated 08-08-2009 - Last post dated 06-04-2014
Total posts copied 329 from 17 pages.

6) JACKIE DID IT - STEP BY STEP
Thread started by rodin. First post dated 21-02-2011 - Last post dated 13-05-2015
Total posts copied 180 from 9 pages.

7) MOON LANDING A FAKE OR FACT - EXPOSE
Thread started by king. First post dated 13-07-2007 - Last post dated 10-09-2013
Total posts copied 1134 from 57 pages

8) NASA'S MOON LAP
Thread started by gort. First post dated 28-03-2011 - Last post dated 02-11-2014
Total posts copied 10108 from 506 pages.

9) NUCLEAR BOMBS ARE A HOAX
Thread started by rodin. First post dated 14-01-2012 - Last post dated 06-05-2015
Total posts copied 1403 from 71 pages.

10) THE BEST MOONLANDING HOAX THREAD ON THE WEB
Thread started by alexis1111. First post dated 27-03-2011 - Last post dated 30-09-2012
Total posts copied 306 from 19 pages.

11) THE FAKED TACOMA BRIDGE COLLAPSE HOAX
Thread started by me kaito (Exorcist on this forum)
First post dated 15-02-2014 - Last post dated 16-11-2014.
Total recorded posts 26 from 2 pages.

12) THE HARP HOAX
Thread started by me kaito (Exorcist on this forum)
First post dated 29-01-2014 - Last post dated 19-11-2014
Total recorded posts 97 from 5 pages.